Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95232 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81116 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2016 14:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Aug 2016 14:57:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.68 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.68 mail-wm0-f68.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.68] ([74.125.82.68:35235] helo=mail-wm0-f68.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9C/C5-36656-DC923B75 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:57:17 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f68.google.com with SMTP id i5so16930243wmg.2 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:57:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/guLVk6dlunc307i4HFmGATHoRl7NWXL1uvU7OErVjs=; b=OTdN++CbKBk+UzN+O84ar/DwspTjP8BPggMj+5SPnQpS9juYF7G+nAEFWFHZT+7RkV a8izyi9gLlhbJmAF7M99zYJMgD7cTbbt2yyZEM993uUtKZRVxz2ybBM58tSyphDwasMo BpvggP1R+pZNQ1If8hTTpyLev3cENwZd160M/BAATtDZmLvM+Wfd5lMiztxKbG+zTeP8 3Lv0du7eKdU5SYPkfFzfH5qr80gWy/X3EydtrTTaDt5pZ7NUqRoxuh9zHGK9puttyDyS U8XnHM3gYL74hw7XyHJULaQkywYznnmd0eMxHEbGf4CwIGLtbbwy3icVgl5mPUeqDmZW QHkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/guLVk6dlunc307i4HFmGATHoRl7NWXL1uvU7OErVjs=; b=N5OmlztMzSkvt1Z77/3ShQJ9Tq7JN5FghXmKd835/mG4okwL+FvCJ9ASECCsB8Nv6h VIA2joB4YUJafrKvbvtIrnTjc/dvxFtTAyaOo3t1S3QPQy3Ex9nDp01dFzMJMwGb0ZfK 75FFfikJd+YCKs3Y7y9wqwu3xiIFRiwW7XpfsFIZGHQtQ1PzSRptPj0kTFnRzf74P8oO xmsqlfFcY/HOhWR4+T5q5nOnKI3RXdEBa5+4hiKJEWkR5msjwN7+aCezlkcWkVQjHNGQ pGFfwrKGdX1lpngwlODWljPq7p38bgc6j+zxy7hYtlRgdre85wfpq+xlNvTaxJhYJ1kA rSAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooustoxD6QfXHLhSejbDDduj8JXztGKAUqDV1+QYxmLG20D0Zkn004qtpCQaCkxjVgQ== X-Received: by 10.194.240.4 with SMTP id vw4mr37617520wjc.134.1471359433500; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.98] ([93.188.182.58]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e65sm22112768wmg.3.2016.08.16.07.57.12 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <53c8bb5d-3d60-6019-d089-93d0285bb8ff@lsces.co.uk> <982dfdae-5c44-5ffc-c3c6-66e361839a67@lsces.co.uk> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:55:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <982dfdae-5c44-5ffc-c3c6-66e361839a67@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] orphan extensions cleanup From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 16/08/2016 11:11, Lester Caine wrote: > There have been several 'attempts' to drop ext/interbase, all well > documented on this list. PHP developers may not think Firebird is very > popular, and probably from a PHP base it isn't but it IS used > extensively in large areas of the World. Please carefully read Kalle's motivation for dropping it. It has nothing to do with how popular Firebird is, and everything to do with who is responsible for fixing any serious bugs that crop up *in the ext/interbase code*. Note as well that dropping it doesn't mean taking away your ability to use it - it will still be on PECL, and many Linux distros won't even change their package name. It's mostly just labelling who is promising to maintain it - as long as it's in core, the promise is "it will be stable in stable versions of PHP, and security maintained in security maintained versions of PHP". If there is nobody actively maintaining it, that promise is basically a lie, so moving it to PECL is just giving it the more honest label of "it will be maintained as and when someone volunteers the time for a particular issue". I'm sure everyone agrees is that the ideal situation is *not* to drop it, and instead to find someone willing to commit to maintain it. But there's no point saying it's maintained if nobody is actually performing that role. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]