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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Structured Object Notation
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

On 31/07/2016 15:37, Dan Ackroyd wrote:
> All PHP programs start in procedural code, and then require some
> bootstrapping before we can enter the lovely world of OO code.

I think it goes deeper than that: the procedural code is not just 
outside the objects, it's inside them too. The body of every method is a 
procedural list of statements and control structures. If you have a 
single "if" or "foreach" in your code, that's procedural code; if you 
have a method with more than one statement, that's procedural code.

It's possible to have a "pure OO" language - take a look at Self or 
Smalltalk, where even "if" is a method call; or there's functional 
programming, where you try to "compose" actions, rather than declaring a 
sequence of them. But PHP, like Java, Ruby, Python, etc, etc, is at 
heart a language where you say "do this, then do that"; changing that 
isn't a minor enhancement to the language, it's a completely different 
approach to program structure.

If the problem Midori is trying to solve is to do with bootstrapping, or 
dependency management, then I agree that a framework of some sort is the 
way to go. The boring glue code is all still there, but you don't need 
to look at it; ultimately, that's all a language feature could do anyway.

Regards,

-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]