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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] New operator for context-dependent escaping
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

On 23/07/2016 20:23, Michael Morris wrote:
> PHP was a template engine at inception. [...] something has gone awry when people are
> writing template engines inside of a template engine.

At its inception, PHP was a handful of scripts including access logging 
and a guestbook form. You can take a look here: 
https://github.com/phplang/php-past/tree/0246ebc1bf5ae2e945d28961f975717774e6d287 
Yes, at a stretch, it was a rudimentary template engine; but in a sense, 
so is any programming language that has variables, output, and some form 
of string interpolation.

Smarty was created in 2000, and its first ever README makes clear 
reference to older templating engines: 
https://github.com/smarty-php/smarty/tree/497badbe646f73703b7130609e9ffe2cbd23fa42 
When exactly did things go awry?

In other words, that ship has sailed. The idea that everything that PHP 
has ever had a mediocre version of built in, should be forever embedded 
in and maintained by the default distribution, is absurd. PHP today is a 
programming language, and applications and libraries can be and are 
written in that programming language.

Trying to build default functionality that would compete with a modern 
templating engine like Twig would be a lot of effort, and to what end? A 
kind of language nationalism, that "PHP does it all"?

Regards,

-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]