Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:94660 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41902 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2016 20:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jul 2016 20:54:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.223.174 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.174 mail-io0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.174] ([209.85.223.174:34239] helo=mail-io0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8F/36-05797-789D3975 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:54:33 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q83so132896386iod.1 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:54:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=nvmb1QSobljUpnDj2xQc9uscDhMruVY8bRmai+5OuR8=; b=zrA0ZYZEaCHcoRIKwteeocseL48prKOplv5s5dyuy3CwRflUsBIBvmdKw0CaME8sNT 97i2cZv4ceLte3UcnOJ9weYhbl8L0yYDEbKLz9wC8mWFwCXHe3uscWng5k1TQLOxFUIP K0rFVD0hEMd7DON0fXTmTbd2ABeGBpJrbj68daN7LJptQaV2PxZUL2qloWf/9xPzNPJX VYP5Y4XVE+VRwum00mgzxsa0K5yPK3LSFkOoUClQq9/duNErpCXP14/bW8wpF5zQRcx+ H9Zof4N+1d/Fz51xV+VnPvfq3Ve8BFP/BFSRH+1/YccKosyKnLhfye/bGwfGJFxoZcvj /ibw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nvmb1QSobljUpnDj2xQc9uscDhMruVY8bRmai+5OuR8=; b=TBESacRM/74h3v0bpHmVEwweAtAEjpoykdswhzB1khiWAKzKowu7vVKqI9w5AiCrSo ujQ0R9yBQqAUOWbaDa5Lz45/EqN5qJvDBRlhmdtxRzcTSJhUr5IJ2oOucwqcBMIPOwnJ HedLrQ6kXK0O595LBepq7u2bgx4kCefRE8izCi9h+pRU3COEUriugR59J09Okf5u1dEH z8nbmjybO1So1rPH5I5z4/WAdPw4WSNrbnKD12+nXvrPE8Iws2Gb/wActJgM2IJ3eqXO 6MmHwijPs+al7pQUllCdsX6XzklOisp/ULY9NfgD9cxM/naEOaR9jueORFHRD7LZcas+ UQhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuoVOCZSC7HIzinAazB4hbybdJO6b8SIrsSgABZlfWeIMpYAhYN0ij4OYHg3mweJJ8itX1B9T8+bpCEeA== X-Received: by 10.107.152.149 with SMTP id a143mr12561877ioe.193.1469307269258; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:54:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.36.117.201 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [107.198.91.68] In-Reply-To: <000a4b48-dffe-93ce-e159-fc1dafe645da@gmail.com> References: <20160721000555.C7F861A810A0@dd1730.kasserver.com> <000a4b48-dffe-93ce-e159-fc1dafe645da@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:54:28 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: THLhrgh7hTQIX2WNaihJz0Kq6Z8 Message-ID: To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: Yasuo Ohgaki , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Pipe Operator v2 From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > There is a lot of ways in which PHP needs improvement, but right now I > think inventing more syntax tricks in not one of them. Even in syntax > department, PHP has areas where we could use improvement (e.g. to name > named arguments as one) but this one doesn't seem to do much but doing > the same thing in a shiny new way. Read: less comprehensible for people > not watching "latest new 20 syntaxes PHP invented in the next version", > more things to learn to read PHP code, more things to maintain, more > complexity for the language that once was supposed to be accessible to > beginners. > This is the price of all innovation, but sometimes benefits are much > greater and the price is completely warranted. I do not feel this is the > case here. > I just want to make sure you know that I 100% respect your feelings on this RFC. I can't comprehensively argue against them, so I won't try. I'll only say that I don't expect to see |> in rampant use in the next two years, maybe not in five. But that's okay, because that feature will (I hope) be there for private codebases soon, and public codebases later, and I believe it will make code more readable. -Sara