Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:94421 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83171 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2016 18:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jul 2016 18:37:51 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=morrison.levi@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=morrison.levi@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.193 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: morrison.levi@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.193 mail-pf0-f193.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.193] ([209.85.192.193:34295] helo=mail-pf0-f193.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 11/1C-18622-C71AE775 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:37:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 66so2461125pfy.1 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:37:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=UGWRFzuvpAzxS6/1NSYuZYv01zKRPvN7jKHckQ9SQk4=; b=ifeVPqcNBWgw2HqmsMsHa9Ve2htCRFQ3mtnUWC++S4N1vRsILljFFwWGfgsWnYFXnp 6Q9BfBMiMCBiWh2hSuGMGpfW8FpVPIp2jWk+cLgFXagkjQlqVeIq4x8CpK+vT2hCJyUC V70TrD9/Xe7EEFZQDZs2OrrtZln/beedyJ9IezY9PK25g0FOycaL4jYdg5FvKskL/CcC SEV0pDOdEgtagU2BjIxCWErgEPYxoMG5aNQp+Wcs4MsgK3PVGgXyoPYZF/kk2ZM2q80Z bKQBiTZL/nazfcRTHj1EGk61Xm5PG7Z12gIUiyY+oik7OcNQxFb7prEbDazfaISLtnWh ZOYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UGWRFzuvpAzxS6/1NSYuZYv01zKRPvN7jKHckQ9SQk4=; b=OIRcf4J2VjJkvj11J+hLYX1sBsPgQfP45H4k+71uDwquR99/vtbVXCF3ezLO+16xtQ YziQjbyDf1UGYcuMp1M5tdMFpLAikxe+1VJ0he+X+AjeODdWCrop6bH+eoR1gqwIdOKx amF2KfSGmhgMBF+DqWNpmvuGtzLWO+Dm+6wOOnPcfqQzMETjs0KsP6yvSEah4s2ntYis TEEDLTmXwkQkw0wWKUGUdwB0471VScnL6LxFpOah3EjO98QSAyn0X8AtYXoBg4QcxZmF G7DmvFq9pjqsjHrr2Pc/haqJmLklHzvtBm+64+WkbjhooMxKzGTykXeo/C71NVZ4Dnjt PHFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLowm1zVw3xqHBCJPXZyN6Hz+vvMChwyiw9IyLDDXapBE1oCpIsM6f3OynjvY/+fG1tnC7fvH9pVo802w== X-Received: by 10.98.130.65 with SMTP id w62mr2514890pfd.5.1467914981842; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: morrison.levi@gmail.com Received: by 10.66.23.72 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1f39f97a-6aaf-8550-9f82-a7e80465f903@telia.com> <319e2640-4f81-7b13-5135-be406e35c814@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:09:41 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 09Yb56XRbl4eBpTIYsgFN7MrXQ4 Message-ID: To: Christoph Becker Cc: Rowan Collins , internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] ReflectionType Improvements From: levim@php.net (Levi Morrison) On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Christoph Becker wrote: > On 06.07.2016 at 11:23, Rowan Collins wrote: > >> On 05/07/2016 22:06, Levi Morrison wrote: >> >>> It would have been great if people actually contributed to the >>> discussion before voting phase, but such is life. >> >> Yes, for my part, I apologise that I didn't pay any attention to this >> RFC previously, and just happened upon this sub-thread. I can understand >> your frustration at this all coming so late. > > I agree that it is unfortunate that some of the discussion only happened > after the RFC has been put to voting. However, there have only been 15 > days between announcing the RFC and starting the vote (plus an > additional 6 days for a pre RFC announcement), and during this time > several other RFCs were also under discussion or in voting phase, what > made it hard to assess all of them in a timely manner. Just to clarify this: *all* of the discussion happened after the RFC was put into vote, not just some of it. I've talked to a few people off list to see why they voted no. There are several different reasons but nobody bothered to voice any of them until voting. How can we make better RFCs if people don't discuss until its too late?