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To: Tom Worster <fsb@thefsb.org>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] RNG fixes
From: eihabibrahim@gmail.com (Eihab Ibrahim)

Hi Tom,

I'm building a startup (my fourth) and I chose PHP and Laravel to make it wo=
rk.

Use the right tool for the job and what not.

I think that you have been trolled (YHBT), you've lost by feeding the troll (=
YHL).

Have a nice day (HAND).

Also VIM is better than emacs, carry on with that if we're going to rant abo=
ut minutia.

-E

On Jun 22, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Tom Worster <fsb@thefsb.org> wrote:

On 6/21/16 3:29 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote:

> My favorite:
>=20
>> The PHP approach seems to be that any crazy behavior is acceptable as
>> long as it's documented.

People love raggin' on PHP.

It's a virulent meme. It propagates so well in our coder culture because it'=
s easy, it's just provocative enough to attract attention but it's pretty sa=
fe because you can always find people to agree with you. Participants can fe=
el smart and superior even if their contribution amounts to "me too".

It's like people raggin' on C++. "They named the language after the worst fe=
ature in C: pointer arithmetic!" Knowingly superior chuckles. I wonder how m=
any of the people who pile on (propagating the meme) have the understanding o=
f real experience. My own history with C++ was short but so miserable that I=
 sometimes join in with this one.

Same thing with Perl. Before that it was COBOL. Raggin' on COBOL is legit ev=
en if you've no idea what COBOL code looks like.

It's a form social behavior for establishing groups and belonging. It works b=
y using people's need for a sense of identity and validation. Computer peopl=
e at a party can use these memes as small-talk to develop relations, either f=
riendly or not. Our modern comms platforms' gamification literally rewards t=
his behavior.

But once you're aware of it, it's like American stand-up comics raggin' on N=
ew Jersey. Usually good for a cheap laugh but in reality it's tired out, pas=
t its due date, old, utterly unimaginative, very, very boring, and, in the Fra=
nkfurtian sense[1], bullshit.

There. I finally said it. I've wanted to get it off my chest for years. I ap=
ologize that I rely too much on America vernacular and culture. And for tota=
lly hijacking Leigh's RFC thread.

Richard, nothing internals could do will stop PHP being the butt of these dr=
eary jokes and insults. And there are more effective ways to push your agend=
a. Please consider using them.

Tom

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit


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