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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 12:25:11 +0200
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To: Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Typed Properties
From: michal@brzuchalski.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Brzuchalski?=)

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Hi,

I agree with you, but this patch does not result in any increase in
complexity - there still will be a way to declare non typed properties and
most of those developers wouldn't even fell any impact complexity on
development stage.
My goal is not to judge which language is better but to visualize loss for
the mass of developers will be the rejection of that patch.
Nobody will pursuade me not that type safety is nothing significant in
programming language.
According to "they are not degree level software engineers" I must
dissagree with you - they are less payed (their salary is 11%-15% less than
other mentioned language developers) also there is less great and huge
working projects/applications in the real life, most of engineering
colleges learn those other mentioned languages not PHP and there is also
never ending sneering war beetween PHP developers and those other mentioned=
.

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2016-06-22 11:59 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>:

> On 22/06/16 10:37, Micha=C5=82 Brzuchalski wrote:
> > Without it, PHP will newer be aqualed such as Java, C# even Hack
> language -
> > there still will continue to be a big gap, due to the lack of type
> hinting.
> > Sure you could say start to code in Hack it has type safier system, it
> has
> > generics, annotations and other features which from time to time are in
> PHP
> > RFC's but most of time they are declined and Hack lacks of great IDE
> > support like PHPStorm which I use and love because of refactor, code
> > styling, run&debug etc.
>
> If all these other languages are so much better why is the usage of PHP
> *SO* much greater than any of them with no sign of any of them gaining
> traction? Simply because for the vast number of users the simplicity of
> PHP works ... they are not degree level software engineers.
>
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