Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:94037 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18918 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2016 06:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jun 2016 06:20:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.218.48 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.218.48 mail-oi0-f48.google.com Received: from [209.85.218.48] ([209.85.218.48:33758] helo=mail-oi0-f48.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 66/66-10183-43542675 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 02:20:36 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id u201so54521612oie.0 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:20:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=5bIvg00dgKptjXSdGkNEWFrmj6ZlEqf2xYJ5qBYjCz4=; b=lAYNtqD33NFXFzhLBwmZM6bZmLpQOr5MMdBstct5/QEI7ZUkgOsO5LsuADX4afSXn6 dazc8aPr/0Zv8mJZ+pQUJ0iVKE2UIB3+fsHnzMKqdeC9pbf/HOMMwYLPUceK4sa14QK8 aK/G1hMcijTYvp1UOK+UZehFkkAiBdiOYXQA9uC67lv5YeO3YB8/cD2oIxYFILg/bP/b EldHbmZZ3LvrOsd3n0MjT8BhdpZ7UknDcW4U1XntXpLJR7O9Eyomo1ygcYZGBrPyFjZH jHvDyhLoDjNSsKHbr4LQcG0Hl2UV/chQUwydvmosM7M4gb4G0ylTYZ8AYf4tVfc9MJ/j SPOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=5bIvg00dgKptjXSdGkNEWFrmj6ZlEqf2xYJ5qBYjCz4=; b=bqOREgQmhL1rM6h1/KOnLDf5Mbpp0XFO34xkDqtRIw/QqPsWNXXzinYGkCfZ9ef4cq uDZAeKMamNUsWxjnpjL2VaRH5yRcdDeK9cPzMXTvyElCx4dWOz201WSZiR0md6+2I8rD RxeFMcVpS9MixxG5DHKiJDIqV5y3BW+DVITMKOzbP9K7rZm35+BXvFD30xPju8C4sa2z WUTvrPsSSmJP6tE5prDzqhRtrYXmZM7NRYJoJTC5Dx41psQh2uo/2LFhWv57geik9Z8d 7cvBA+M5SL7Fl5ZVBrQWq44F9EYtaChEd5Iolcq9NHww09jHlaGBeRR+Jf/FnPBsQFdU mOEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI6ZFaa3+8zxmp6rOYQcczQqlO6LNrUzr/XTSFW4QprdFj98kWDqv6dZ5bKv0lqmyVL2UmFYJIetjAotw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.157.9.66 with SMTP id 60mr1515017otp.23.1466058033378; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.108.197 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.108.197 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:20:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6c03dafd-093a-0087-6312-96fede93c5f0@gmail.com> <1c437efe-7f1d-629f-cfbc-41cbcda38d89@fleshgrinder.com> <55d87b00-ebcd-6132-ea29-1978236930e7@seld.be> <1c89124f-03fc-65dd-f6ce-dbf23e888ce6@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:20:33 +0700 Message-ID: To: Joe Watkins Cc: Rowan Collins , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c04f7184cbd3a05355f3c71 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is the "No BC Breaks in Minor Releases" policy enforceable? From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) --94eb2c04f7184cbd3a05355f3c71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Jun 16, 2016 11:41 AM, "Joe Watkins" wrote: > > Morning, > > > This would keep the "BC promise" intact instead of going back to > cowboy php days. > > > Please don't let's make it harder to go from 7.0 to 7.1 than it was > from 5.6 to 7.0. > > Can we reduce hyperbole to nil, please. > > Before work starts on PHP 8, we need to have something worth branching, > just as we needed for 7, and 6. > > There is no sense in which the too_few_args vote was unfair, biased, or > anything comparable to "the old days" (it wasn't committed without public > consultation). > > The majority have decided that the *extremely minor* BC break is worth > the tradeoff. We have cases where our view on a problem and its impact was wrong, totally wrong. The rfc process allows veto even if accepted. I am very worried about how things were done here. See my reply to Dmitry's approval mail for the reasons. --94eb2c04f7184cbd3a05355f3c71--