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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:05:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Typed Properties
From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield)

On 06/10/2016 03:01 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 10/06/16 20:51, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> On 06/10/2016 02:14 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>>> On 10/06/16 17:57, Rowan Collins wrote:
>>>> For the record, I'm not entirely sure which way I want the language to
>>>> go, but I think it's a decision that needs to be made, and soon.
>>> Seconded ... even something like strict mode should be 'removable' to
>>> provide a smaller faster 'classic' PHP even if it does mean there are
>>> two builds. But we already HAVE two builds ... people who want strongly
>>> typed and pre-compiled PHP simply use HHVM. There is no need to drag PHP
>>> down the same road map? Each has it's own strengths.
>> ... I am a strong typing proponent (that is a strong proponent of
>> explicit typing), and have never once used HHVM.  Your claim, that
>> type-using people can just leave for HHVM, is both nonsensical and untrue.
> The same applies to your suggestion that user-land is actively following
> you. Getting systems off PHP5.2/3 gets more an more difficult given all
> the extra 'little tweaks' that are needed and we still have 40% of users
> that need help getting just over to 5.4 let alone up to PHP7. Currently
> more people are still using PHP4 than have switched to PHP7 ... so where
> is the strong support for typed code?
>
> (https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all)

https://seld.be/notes/php-versions-stats-2016-1-edition

The code being written is veering heavily toward newer versions, and 
anecdotally most of the code I see is classed with typed parameters.  
(Yes, anecdotes are not data, and I acknowledged a likely bias earlier, 
but I'm not sure how to generate actually objective data on this 
front.)  That is arguably a more reliable measure of what developers are 
doing than the W3Techs stats, which are based on what servers are 
running.  (A useful but different metric.)

--Larry Garfield