Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:93555 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 17848 invoked from network); 26 May 2016 10:05:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 May 2016 10:05:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.53 mail-wm0-f53.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.53] ([74.125.82.53:38203] helo=mail-wm0-f53.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 92/00-17600-E6AC6475 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 06:05:34 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f53.google.com with SMTP id n129so93209031wmn.1 for ; Thu, 26 May 2016 03:05:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l8q7yM6BUC1AbGQeERM2oJLFxGkSb3h52Bx+q+VDe2o=; b=ltpZYlv4BYmrwytotivLs5J8BxNe8uNTEs2jDXEU4gPuxYsvqo5ihbPLahJbP4mfHM fAf35vb0AAhUuJRNKeDZcE5S37pbVkkkrGuz5/OAth1FHtOLTQ9Li3eBxkaD+I9rJWDz yASAFy6YhGw7oltAjvvx5RBv5XGBoFbbnBV8u5VwHJDOvl/pVmA464o2RpgXXqsK3qq0 +30RMKfypkUFYWhFdDNonmdOV3KznMwM6c8oj1J599r1cGTgP2V9yxdzvNaRpcSkSXr+ g89eIBkTlHL+22u6MYNlyf0ztLxH3+NB1wcVWxBc1ObEbsZY9TWNr0NcpEIC1bOqB35e Fc1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l8q7yM6BUC1AbGQeERM2oJLFxGkSb3h52Bx+q+VDe2o=; b=Jnwiskm2pt1SbRc58W2ko2Pl/1ZZqPDNN7fc524eRLcH7PX/qdVVlLIzhajWnkM65y kI36UqQhbWXyPPjkSFUVeF42tZoJhHRNvL3Ysv2E7HhxGN9yMPwAwkXaW0Q65WeP4tlL THyQU5E/1/pn83IXUCPvlK9q0EbNIVz41xH89FuDLKei8rL/zZ7nmX267idxrGPc1dBD QVC225T98cUsZpdMn3v7R/2Vet3iefwZIXuDa9vMafDHWR2f2NakD4sNEMXiY2LkIg0Q SBGRz/J3gZfpr031oNlzPPHjNrwKsDJcXsDiisR2YljhWClqxyNlGwBUQhyCDeSWrebc sMOg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKX15xOq3cTwhDeAO5yy1++vzZXndGHq55oXlu+r2jtwMUJztcCyfHVxwr8u/77yA== X-Received: by 10.194.47.74 with SMTP id b10mr8538832wjn.4.1464257131157; Thu, 26 May 2016 03:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.98] ([93.188.182.58]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d5sm13476551wje.20.2016.05.26.03.05.30 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 May 2016 03:05:30 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <7B.12.14311.F79C5475@pb1.pair.com> <1b12b09f-f190-dca0-51d9-468e9c571268@fleshgrinder.com> <4ec823c6-b039-fc91-7c78-60d67719cd81@gmail.com> <00482771-3a07-06cf-ee8d-cd83a301c7e7@fleshgrinder.com> <1ac579b7-6bf3-f362-c045-0261abcfa17c@fleshgrinder.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 11:03:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1ac579b7-6bf3-f362-c045-0261abcfa17c@fleshgrinder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Typed Properties From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 26/05/2016 08:52, Fleshgrinder wrote: > I understand where you are getting at. Another proposal after giving > this some more thought. Could you summarise what your proposal actually is; I got a bit lost with what your long list of examples was trying to show me. > Note that the behavior of isset() and empty() was already once changed > during the 5.4 feature release! Can you provide a reference for that? The only thing mentioned in the changelog in the manual is this rather rare situation: $foo = 'a string'; isset($foo['some_key']); $foo['some_key'] doesn't actually have much of a meaning in that case, anyway, and it has nothing to do with initialisation. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]