Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:93299 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 38324 invoked from network); 12 May 2016 23:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 May 2016 23:19:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.54 mail-wm0-f54.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.54] ([74.125.82.54:34727] helo=mail-wm0-f54.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1D/F9-28272-48F05375 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 19:19:32 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id v200so524872wmv.1 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 16:19:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u2qwHUDV/bBViO5iU1fBc4q2X+yATUtXTyPjiVRKPMY=; b=A0OlMXpB6w+C2rn5JyuGj+bM2/DwfzabasYUUFF6jcyFvHR88gloSuc+Jj2xD7OWan c0yZhwMLra2p46iSnJ1x3jbDmjw6iOPkWVard9BZo5ePwXqHiSvIQ87d5sI0JMcyhGtl LeS+TnVFXrMF5uPiGsdV9eT+SdVAI4IyfKPt9uLku5/wUxWrgksonrLGynrVU7m6+RXG gSmlfeLha8W+X5BXZY7HBuv15tzPrleHmVbbXGzKEGa2WUrY+FfRqNCanvzBuVnKpJKU W2Yev2gVwbRtao/C6wH8aaSxDMhVH7l43wCmpyaFTQhwIcct/HGGYVljPaxCXBXHoqfr IOEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u2qwHUDV/bBViO5iU1fBc4q2X+yATUtXTyPjiVRKPMY=; b=ZyhTrt/REyc0FhdTGFnfolE8vzl36tNPWVPmV2dpoErpAdVEa6HlUFVJPhfoG4WUPO hdM3rwIImruR72pAtjSE+3eU1t1rOAbFv2KX11Ad97SnhyzGFd5HsOJ3sSyeND2HGa6R IoI6wibDwpmhN0TR7lUyOQiqo4+U64du6QtMZT06GThM0oCwb/0mtppqC0F4NvAjb+Vw jNfR9OU3Z23nfvEEY6wwDpcTal2KQm+nL4gQxfuQ5+kqb8WZm7inlJAGIAexg2nIY+wO 7+p1ecuTU7ml6URk/J1Ale75Fg7zw8u5E19HBun8KliHncGfr5MLBzYVssqGFf5E4B3p FtAg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVoqiopELy+34bQjbTVLPRYZVGHEIPrcDU/qHgo1i+obM4AeLiRenrQjek4933gHg== X-Received: by 10.194.76.137 with SMTP id k9mr12497107wjw.3.1463095169766; Thu, 12 May 2016 16:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.189] ([2.27.88.132]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e8sm15647619wjm.23.2016.05.12.16.19.28 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 May 2016 16:19:29 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 00:19:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Sara Golemon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing > > Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! > I would hope > it would effect the discussion for the positive as opinions wouldn't > need to be restated over and over again, and when it comes times to > vote, those doing the voting could refresh their feelings on each > argument. +1 I'm a big fan of summarising and synthesising discussions. Mailing list archives may be particularly fiddly, but even the best forum software can't fix the fact that conversations ramble and repeat and take a long time to re-read. It might be worth having a few quick guidelines (without getting too lawyerly) - encourage bulleted lists, or paragraphs of 2 sentences at most; link to mailing archives where particularly key points or examples were raised. If it's kept as a quick "primer" on the main arguments, then there's less temptation to repeat the actual debate in competing comments on the page. I'm also not sure about the name; I'm not sure who the "second party" is for these to be "third-party", and "argument" has unfortunate connotations, even though they're not meant here. Perhaps just "Points raised during discussion"? Now to register a wiki account, so I can add some "3rd-party arguments" to the "3rd-party editing" RFC... ;) Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]