Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:93298 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 35655 invoked from network); 12 May 2016 22:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 May 2016 22:47:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.217.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.172 mail-lb0-f172.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.172] ([209.85.217.172:35556] helo=mail-lb0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/99-28272-31805375 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 18:47:48 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ww9so9518177lbc.2 for ; Thu, 12 May 2016 15:47:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/oDYhsR8c0SIxftuXADOd7cZJt2J8n3FVcubIhGqMew=; b=wcfEJ4oebH7fwvZG83+E2HnePfInKR//RcJLy2axc91X+YoWkU4BuB6BIwo/agOaGo DsO87CD+N1/MXnxGWLkvMxLKjHps3QaAhZz6Pd8W3giJJAiMo1xBg5uQq74tRezUusxM bHqfHsuwrBxunKa0V5qH2siv6hqhD8GuvFAhRJVmripXNLD4l425zqFc8xdro958dMhm Aumgeyr+J0qV+4HUmwrKOTroQ/cqEFPo9HAE2/XtPyJhQlL9ZgHagSUs6Nc4/s0K1s8V UPJ+kc2PoCJRZ5b9KM8o/LFmEX92T/mbZIpTG+iBlF3owfkDDPKx2rXHODrNFesk0zLh 41fg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/oDYhsR8c0SIxftuXADOd7cZJt2J8n3FVcubIhGqMew=; b=FW6WA5B97mXcQmPbupRi+vkh7QZ/Y0YyY9tpMpqqNIaBOKDGcO+gXnadZVLn7bOP5r oOLxFFW4HfIIOxPpAXmN0KZ/QI2pj+T7NnG9W4od362njmg1tumQkNw9y5g1yHxQ3Bct XPnqBtq5rckMRkwPEh1/jKS+J5nILHR6UgoDQWNgkQ3Mc6Wju3c6natZbk7jUuAaNP6T CmctoNgUAkA7sYO5+KWlKM+MYwC7RD+z0GjV2jlex20ocxlxxF53lRl5l1fF8EWu4NWX tJ0YyBk1TbSW7eUmyhKRPVtyhnCIbTDPd5Tv5qeWgI2T/FWqAurfxUIShnmiN1WVrxEM dfFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWBgUZVtQ00dihWRYHMB5RZC+2s812UzbELIwxDf051GOAUdMs1dAE6uX3C/PLQDHRGvrJvqXbXhW8huQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.72.42 with SMTP id a10mr5403163lbv.111.1463093265246; Thu, 12 May 2016 15:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.112.19.72 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2016 15:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [107.198.91.68] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 15:47:45 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2Ho_YHig54vzQr4NyTgn2ltVV6c Message-ID: To: Robert Williams Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Robert Williams wr= ote: > It reminds me of the election pamphlets that my state sends > out to inform voters of what the upcoming ballet measures are and what > various folks=E2=80=99 for/against arguments are. > I was literally looking at said pamphlet when the thought occurred to me. := ) > But those arguments are collected > in advance and there is only a single edition printed, so there are no > direct responses. I=E2=80=99m not sure how well this format would work wi= th the > back-and-forth that usually happens in RFC discussions. > I don't imagine this piece replacing "live" discussions, nor would I expect that it would completely remove repetition of arguments. It's just meant to help organize arguments pro/con in a single, easily referenced place. > And if they can link, what will stop these sections from becoming piles o= f spaghetti? > Self-interest. I expect it's fairly well agreed that concise arguments tend to be more effective for simple virtue of the fact that they'll be read. Those voter pamphlets recognize this too and keep their statements to, at most, one page. I've updated my pipe-operator RFC to reflect what I imagine this might look like: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pipe-operator#third-party_arguments > Would folks wait until near the > end of the discussion period to make their additions to avoid repeat visi= ts, > and how would that affect the discussion? > I would probably update as new arguments are raised. And I would hope it would effect the discussion for the positive as opinions wouldn't need to be restated over and over again, and when it comes times to vote, those doing the voting could refresh their feelings on each argument. -Sara