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Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 08:51:30 +0200
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To: Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Pipe Operator
From: peter.e.lind@gmail.com (Peter Lind)

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On 9 May 2016 at 08:45, Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > I have the feeling that if everyone involved *explicitly* prefixed their
> > opinions with "I think that", this would be a better and more fruitful
>
> Is there any other option?
>

As in "better options"? I don't think so. As in "could my statement be
taken any other way"? Clearly, as the way you put it forward you were
claiming not that you though things unobvious, but that they were
unobvious. You are trying to make the exact same argument, in different
words, in your argument below.


>
> > discussion. *You* think the syntax completely unobvious - that doesn't
> > make it so. Clearly others find it much easier to read.
>
> If you think it's obvious - it also doesn't make it so, then.


That is a logical conclusion, yes. I didn't state my opinion on the pipe
operator, though.



> It appears
> we have no way to determine if it's obvious or not. But I'd like to
> venture a proposal - find somebody who is not familiar with this
> proposal and maybe even with PHP and ask them - what do you think * or +
> or -> may mean in PHP? If they are familiar with any other languages
> like PHP, they would venture a guess with would be pretty close to the
> truth. Now ask them what |> and $$ may mean. Are you ready to tell me
> their answers would be as accurate and close to the truth as before?
>

Are you willing to argue that PHP should never implement features not found
commonly in other languages? Because that's where you're going with that
argument.

Regards
Peter


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