Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:93123 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64163 invoked from network); 9 May 2016 06:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2016 06:45:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.174 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.174 mail-pf0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.174] ([209.85.192.174:34141] helo=mail-pf0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C9/B0-60415-31230375 for ; Mon, 09 May 2016 02:45:40 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y69so71965406pfb.1 for ; Sun, 08 May 2016 23:45:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ulj4WCohAYT5HLRnrGnH8eJKrr+YPAPpG85SKJzv5us=; b=tefikMJ3OKc8NGR298Zj5Hczsn5xTm196i++vlUHS0uNRjliAxpoHDmhRlJMZyT6OP aV+cWiczY97I0o0+onLGQchhNe2/NC6IV/eXIbkuaks242RCHMHEMqyGB0jBY9My5FQy LFkLwvL3gxZVKjoWT7VZFVIXlakLLwPtw/YdJozn4ZQxHqVqvpoe/KMgUNeebKRuAuJY xXExC0RZNOJUeZq9pg9hMd9KFSxfcyvCQ6wTabp7odYt6dlXIJdw5swk537byZi62U+H QcQkZz2/eBO3Zz+yz0rybALrWPs4pJz/3C8V/pVxcs9NkLJgUQ/4saqvL7R3C6V09ANA +cIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ulj4WCohAYT5HLRnrGnH8eJKrr+YPAPpG85SKJzv5us=; b=YNDZFTGhCoILBgSMYm/7KY+RilOt+/DFGZqyQNZzVzD5wU6uisjUTVLG72uMhLCfZj MiZ2LIlAcQjmGJK1kTWCIX0BKLZx+lrG4Q82hb3Jj/81O7aHXQiYZ6rmt90Qvg1B7Lwy 3g/TnZUNU5yOjXjP7KjuwcSkGqeWRwJlqqocKrx0uepiJVQJ+WI21FBMYEHvVi19KtOy 8jeFkX2y4D8BoxF1bOFMquFHDsqxoSg8vnNSjEyF5f/PoaCj9y/9pVWaVxpyvQ2lzjjQ D4/5Mroxo+31tIPP1J7Pf5Zv5dRJUSRq5HhbVaR9fagfN3N4ssrYwi/GbFP2hJtM4PKU reVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVCgKney2zWh+uySaZTtSgwkbNV1La6FvfN45KLl6gydiRHw8ork9KOa0LtDg9zKA== X-Received: by 10.98.23.150 with SMTP id 144mr48298726pfx.96.1462776334688; Sun, 08 May 2016 23:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:6c0f:f586:3f92:3b0d? ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:6c0f:f586:3f92:3b0d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xd14sm37764479pac.6.2016.05.08.23.45.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 May 2016 23:45:32 -0700 (PDT) To: Peter Lind References: <39071a01-a42c-0952-b3a8-b4769c79b56b@fleshgrinder.com> <0ac3be89-6fb4-610a-ef89-0928f264f96c@fleshgrinder.com> <71379db5-b7b8-78b3-ada5-eee34e6e22d6@fleshgrinder.com> Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Message-ID: <7dfb5ef1-3e13-1d57-28d0-29f6301c76d5@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 23:45:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Pipe Operator From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I have the feeling that if everyone involved *explicitly* prefixed their > opinions with "I think that", this would be a better and more fruitful Is there any other option? > discussion. *You* think the syntax completely unobvious - that doesn't > make it so. Clearly others find it much easier to read. If you think it's obvious - it also doesn't make it so, then. It appears we have no way to determine if it's obvious or not. But I'd like to venture a proposal - find somebody who is not familiar with this proposal and maybe even with PHP and ask them - what do you think * or + or -> may mean in PHP? If they are familiar with any other languages like PHP, they would venture a guess with would be pretty close to the truth. Now ask them what |> and $$ may mean. Are you ready to tell me their answers would be as accurate and close to the truth as before? -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com