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Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 23:27:28 -0700
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To: Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
Cc: Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net>, "internals@lists.php.net" <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Pipe Operator
From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon)

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't see how it helps anything. It just replaces clear variable names
> with cryptic sequences of characters with no intuitive meaning and magic
> semantics invented solely to save a few keystrokes.
>
Yep, that's exactly what "->" does.  It's just pointless syntactic
sugar for hiding "$obj" when calling functions which happen to take an
instance as their magicly passed argument.

Oh, sorry, we were talking about the function version of ->, my
mistake.  That's a totally different thing.

> Moreover, it would
> only in one sole use case where functions always return a value that is
> immediately passed to the next one and is sole argument for it,
>
Hrmmm... Did you read the RFC? It's pretty clear that the lhs
expression can be used in a lot more cases that function calls and
that it needn't be the only argument.  Better read it again.

> Quite the opposite. It has completely unobvious syntax (what is $$? What
> is the value of $$? how I see this value if I need to debug this code?)
> and does not allow to do anything but making code more cryptic.
>
That's a great reason for voting against short ternary syntax.  What
the hell is "?:", anyway?

-Sara