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To: Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Looking (not very far) ahead to PHP 7.1
From: mtkocak@gmail.com (Midori Kocak)

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Hello Everyone,

Remember the ??=3D. I had a faulty implementation and after that a =
serious surgery and I did not have the time to update my implementation. =
I am OK now but what should I do with my RFC? Can somebody implement it =
or should I move forward with the implementation. What do you guys say? =
What is your advice?

Best wishes.

Midori Kocak
Computer Scientist & Engineer
http://www.mynameismidori.com <http://www.mynameismidori.com/>

=E2=80=9CThe most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. =
It is the source of all true art and science.=E2=80=9D Albert Einstein

> On 06 May 2016, at 09:25, Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org =
<mailto:pthreads@pthreads.org>> wrote:
>=20
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org =
<mailto:pthreads@pthreads.org>>
> Date: Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Looking (not very far) ahead to PHP 7.1
> To: Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com =
<mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>>
> Cc: Davey Shafik <davey@php.net <mailto:davey@php.net>>
>=20
>=20
> Morning,
>=20
>   PHP 5 has been with us for a long time, towards the end of it's =
life, it
> didn't make much sense to have protracted pre-release periods.
>=20
>   PHP 7 has been with us for no time at all, about 5 minutes; It still
> creates a fair amount of core (/Zend) bugs, and there are only a few =
people
> who are able, or who bother, to search for and or resolve such bugs.
>=20
>   An RFC does not *need* to be accompanied by an implementation (for =
some
> reason), so we can't very well say "no more RFC after X". All we are
> concerned about is the implementation that accompanies the RFC.
>=20
>   Everyone should move forward with their RFC, and voting, in the
> knowledge that if the implementation is not ready for Beta 1, it's too
> late.
>=20
>   Worth noting that we're only really talking about the feature kind =
of
> RFC: If some internal problem is found that requires an RFC discussion =
to
> resolve and choose a solution for, no problem - that's what we should =
be
> doing at this point.
>=20
>   We don't really need to be any more restrictive than that.
>=20
>   I quite often supply patches for RFC discussions, I get that it's
> annoying for someone to say "staph". I get that 7 is shiny, it's easy =
to
> implement complex features, I get that we all waited a long time for =
such a
> platform.
>=20
>   I also get that 7.2 is going to be a thing :)
>=20
> Cheers
> Joe
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson =
<bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com <mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>>
> wrote:
>=20
>> Ok, well I guess there is always room to change at alpha1 when
>> all RFC's should be on the table. Agree that 7.1 looks like a busy
>> release :-)
>>=20
>> I mean, earlier (5.6 & maybe also 7.0) no new RFC's introduced
>> after alpha1 and voting closed by first beta. Same strategy in 7.1?
>> Cheers //Bj=C3=B6rn
>>=20
>>=20
>> Den 2016-05-05 kl. 22:53, skrev Davey Shafik:
>>=20
>> Bjorn,
>>=20
>> I had the same suggestion, but Joe has convinced me that due to the =
amount
>> and extent of changes we'd rather have more than we need, than too =
few!
>>=20
>> - Davey
>>=20
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson =
<bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com <mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>>
>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Aha, I see & tnx. It's not on the front-page so I missed it.
>>>=20
>>> One reflection is that you have similar amount of
>>> alpha / beta / RC steps like for 7.0 that was a major
>>> release. Looking at todo lists on 5.x. the numbers of
>>> steps are smaller. On the other hand 7.1 seems like
>>> a busy release with typed properties etc
>>>=20
>>> Just my 5c...
>>>=20
>>> Cheers //Bj=C3=B6rn
>>> Den 2016-05-05 kl. 22:36, skrev Davey Shafik:
>>>=20
>>> The same one used for the vote is where we are currently working. =
Nothing
>>> is set in stone yet!
>>>=20
>>> https://wiki.php.net/todo/php71 <https://wiki.php.net/todo/php71>
>>>=20
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson <
>>> <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hi,
>>>>=20
>>>> Short question, will you make a todolist like for 7.0 on:
>>>> - https://wiki.php.net/todo
>>>>=20
>>>> And good luck with the work as RMs! Already looking
>>>> forward to 7.1 with some exciting content.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards //Bj=C3=B6rn Larsson
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Den 2016-05-05 kl. 18:26, skrev Joe Watkins:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Afternoon internals,
>>>>>=20
>>>>>     We are hoping for alpha 1 to be available on June 9th, this is =
a
>>>>> little
>>>>> over 5 weeks away.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>     Beta 1 (~1 month after alpha 1) on July 7th will be our =
feature
>>>>> freeze
>>>>> date - no new RFC's can target 7.1 after this date.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>     PHP 7.1 has many things targeting it at the moment, some
>>>>> overlapping,
>>>>> all of them in various states.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>     So that the dust is allowed to settle during beta phase, we =
need to
>>>>> insist that anything that does not have an implementation by the =
time
>>>>> beta
>>>>> 1 comes be pushed back to 7.2.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>     If you are working on a core (/Zend) feature right now, =
especially
>>>>> draft (unannounced) features, and are targeting 7.1, as a matter =
of
>>>>> courtesy (not requirement), I'd like to ask you to move forward,
>>>>> post-haste. It would be good (although not required) if we could =
get
>>>>> /Zend
>>>>> stuff merged before alpha 1 ... I realize this may be a pipe =
dream. I'm
>>>>> new
>>>>> at this, and still have dreams ...
>>>>>=20
>>>>>     TL:DR, dates for diary:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>         Alpha 1              June 9th
>>>>>         Beta 1 (freeze)    July 7th
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20


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