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On 4/28/2016 11:15 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> I think we should not try to be Haskell, Scala and Eiffel at the same
> time. DbC is not something most of the users of the language require an=
d
> would ever use, unlike Eiifel where it is major part of what the
> language is. Giving a possibility of implementing it using attributes i=
s
> fine. But bringing yet another conceptual framework into PHP looks like=

> overkill to me.
>=20

Yes, we should not be copy cats. However, we already have `assert()` and
people are just discovering it, despite being there forever. I am not
proposing the previously mentioned syntax as a real RFC yet, simply
because I do not think that it is the right time to do so. However, I do
believe that DbC does not belong into meta-attributes.

My question remains: why DbC in meta? What could be any advantages?

--=20
Richard "Fleshgrinder" Fussenegger


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