Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:92581 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 19819 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2016 21:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Apr 2016 21:08:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.171 mail-pf0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.171] ([209.85.192.171:35426] helo=mail-pf0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CC/49-14036-9BFE7175 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 17:08:09 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n1so22072686pfn.2 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:08:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wQ257jhaGi6wRKqQ501BGUVZBLySco6jVbkLvvvRAoQ=; b=Kb1otz0OipnKXPAxG5VNHtDeZ6GpVCepcoxT1mI5Pi73Mfp8I8V3w9hdlr5DXgsfCl ektyLU9l6yiyZIZvQ6DZ6FDBQdDsMGtnTah45t6q1M1HfejWWmW1YukRbkf62kH5CGCJ axYzCpMxuuVXMogishHCFhwLzWy4qxpZ5OlxoqWgv3Uq/jcP32nnZdlzIYlsFrT2Iwlx MsDGRNjnUIua5cyb3qOsynsKoDWHePf1dPDP1EgQsPVacU/JIFobzzS7RCwxU0CgJkWR 5BGHv4Ay6xv7qKjfeCuBm7ZoUrmLJbreRfxIeuNkhfyhMr5o2x31B1WS7EWU6rGi6/6W Z7gg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wQ257jhaGi6wRKqQ501BGUVZBLySco6jVbkLvvvRAoQ=; b=R8p7IjO80h9M+GiMgxRMSwx1pZShWdlsrlR0FLeKgf7uOkPA6ErxJxjviRryIK3zgi 6QbUA72YosEW8UJ9vumLkt/OmlHYdcko4Yz4LoOC/dIae5mTOgInMEbLlm0BFselRwRv SWvYDdTSPaa4gcBy6uIV9hGpZ+3W8unhRupQ+0ENCHmccB2zSB6daVIYKzFCaiREbbjZ 9GE4IFeS/slbpm6NGd4WXKmJIejwZJHuwL7qG2g5INEsdvc+QzRDVOmNuWwqv3YFDlXY nhLFk7yov1mpU7IukGjfSRKHYyyqZPA7Yv7mMZZfKoSnLejRSGH22wzYYZN/Mg8hNCP3 n7gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXj9Qr2ID3Ay8PWGoTvqmwuGuyO5bYlW7rODydwafQrS/KHHo8BxmtEAc9hVSu3wA== X-Received: by 10.98.76.22 with SMTP id z22mr15176267pfa.78.1461186486659; Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local (76-220-46-95.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [76.220.46.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ff2sm76835726pac.15.2016.04.20.14.08.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:08:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Jesse Schalken References: <5717D70E.5010706@lsces.co.uk> <5717E02C.9030505@gmail.com> Cc: "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" , internals Message-ID: <5717EFAC.3050208@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:07:56 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Quick sanity check ... From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > You're blaming humans (devs, testers etc) for a problem which could have > been caught automatically (by a strictly enforced type annotation). It This particular problem maybe could. But it is a symptom of a systemic issue (bad design, bad testing) - curing symptom and leaving the disease is like giving a painkiller to anybody who comes into a hospital without actually seeing what's wrong with them. Usually doesn't end well. > follows that you actually /want/ writing PHP software to be inefficient, > labour intensive and error-prone. Of course I do. I hate all humans and ones using PHP especially, that's why I spend so many hours working on it for decades now. Kudos for finally discovering my evil plan. Keep on the good work. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com