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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Quick sanity check ...
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)


> On 20 =E1=E0=F4=F8=D7 2016, at 23:33, Jesse Schalken <me@jesseschalken.co=
m> wrote:
>=20
> You're blaming humans (devs, testers etc) for a problem which could have
> been caught automatically (by a strictly enforced type annotation). It
> follows that you actually *want* writing PHP software to be inefficient,
> labour intensive and error-prone.

Which is exactly why we're seeing a massive exodus from loosely typed langu=
ages like PHP and JavaScript towards strongly typed languages like Java, wi=
th people reporting radically better productivity.

Seriously.

We all know the advantages of strict typing.  What seems that we don't all =
know are the advantages of dynamic typing.  And it's no coincidence that in=
 reality, the exodus is going in the other direction, and dynamically typed=
 languages are reported to be a lot more productive.

Might you consider reading the research Johannes pointed to?

What made you choose PHP?  If you think it's fundamentals are so bad and pu=
sh you to be inefficient, sentenced to hard labor and your code prone to er=
rors, how did you make this horrible choice?

Zeev