Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:92509 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60789 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2016 23:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Apr 2016 23:21:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=vchkpw@developersdesk.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=vchkpw@developersdesk.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain developersdesk.com designates 204.228.229.4 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: vchkpw@developersdesk.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.228.229.4 lessa.developersdesk.com Received: from [204.228.229.4] ([204.228.229.4:39331] helo=mail.developersdesk.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 10/ED-22821-E7DB6175 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:21:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 12248 invoked by uid 89); 19 Apr 2016 23:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.151?) (vchkpw@developersdesk.com@160.3.210.129) by 0 with ESMTPA; 19 Apr 2016 23:21:39 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <570EB67E.8010908@garfieldtech.com> <5B147E88-CC0A-4CBC-A49D-C7FE3BF557C0@zend.com> <6F.C3.12455.94C5F075@pb1.pair.com> <20160414094440.GF19347@phcomp.co.uk> <570FD94F.90703@fleshgrinder.com> <570FE8A9.4020809@gmail.com> <20.53.29891.17401175@pb1.pair.com> <57110BCD.5030009@garfieldtech.com> <571124C2.9040606@gmx.de> <57112F31.8070209@garfieldtech.com> <57167C35.8080601@gmail.com> <57168FCC.7000507@garfieldtech.com> <5716BAF9.6000302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5716BD74.9010101@developersdesk.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 17:21:24 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5716BAF9.6000302@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Improving PHP's type system From: vchkpw@developersdesk.com (Rick Widmer) On 4/19/2016 5:10 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> In general, improving the type system provides a much more interesting and >> practical playground for any kind of tool that would rely on static > > That's my point - "more interesting playground" does not sound like a > reason enough to mess with the type system of the language used by > millions. This sounds like a good description of a thesis project or a > academic proof-of-concept language, not something mature widely-used > language prizing simplicity should be aiming for. I completely agree > that *if* we added a ton of shiny things into PHP then there would be a > lot of interesting stuff to play with. I am saying that is not the > reason enough to actually add them. Are too many of these incompatible shiny things, too fast, the main reason so many PHP users are on older versions? IMHO, yes. Rick