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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Improving PHP's type system
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On 4/19/2016 4:36 AM, Tom Worster wrote:
> On 4/18/16 4:34 AM, Tony Marston wrote:
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>> I repeat, where was the insult in the post in question?  What exactly
>> were the insulting words?
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> I chose just one example:
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>> Those who cannot write effective software without these "clever"
>> additions to the language are doing nothing but announcing to the
>> world that they are not clever enough to write effective software
>> using their own limited abilities.
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> I think it's hard to avoid construing an implication that people
> proposing and/or supporting changes to how PHP handles type in the
> current discussions here are incompetent programmers.
>=20
> There's no doubt that this sentence posits a class of incompetent
> programmers who need crutches ('these "clever" additions') and a
> complementary class of competent programmer who don't. Saying so is
> pointless without some assignment (imaginary, implied or real) of
> individuals to the classes. It's hard to imagine that present company o=
r
> the people whose interests we attempt to represent are not involved in
> the assignment. I find this a bit insulting.
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> Insult is something experienced as well as something performed. If
> enough people experience it then probably it was performed, regardless
> of intent. So to this extent I just disagree that...
>=20
>> The fact that you don't like what I say does
>> not make it an insult.
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> "It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear"
>=20
>=20
> But we are now completely off topic. To bring us back on topic I repeat=

> my request that you try to be specific about what you want and why, wit=
h
> respect to the RFCs under discussion.
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> Tom
>=20
>=20

Very well said! :)

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Richard "Fleshgrinder" Fussenegger


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