Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:91609 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70212 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2016 10:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Mar 2016 10:52:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=james@asgrim.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=james@asgrim.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain asgrim.com designates 109.74.205.7 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: james@asgrim.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 109.74.205.7 thor.asgrim.com Received: from [109.74.205.7] ([109.74.205.7:57600] helo=thor.asgrim.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AC/62-53667-DE151E65 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:52:30 -0500 Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) (Authenticated sender: james.asgrim) by thor.asgrim.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0043AAA4F1 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id bc4so106033726lbc.2 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:52:23 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIWduWkoOttkCraPrdrJuzGazfZKQAdGxjKEL0hkl54e06x1QE1zw+ZFPOXic2JoMNUn516p7zoGoLiRA== X-Received: by 10.25.28.140 with SMTP id c134mr707806lfc.99.1457607143448; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:52:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: james@asgrim.com Received: by 10.25.196.214 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:52:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <76.21.53667.08C41E65@pb1.pair.com> References: <1F.91.55238.41F10D65@pb1.pair.com> <56D42CD3.6020602@gmail.com> <56D57DF4.8000906@gmail.com> <56D5D2AD.6070805@gmail.com> <56D5DDA6.4080607@fleshgrinder.com> <40.73.36499.548B6D65@pb1.pair.com> <56D6BBD0.5010505@gmail.com> <56D73386.3000903@fleshgrinder.com> <86.68.21983.A2508D65@pb1.pair.com> <56D86C00.6000904@fleshgrinder.com> <12.FB.08749.AF759D65@pb1.pair.com> <56DAC26C.50304@fleshgrinder.com> <56DAE00F.2030203@lsces.co.uk> <56DAF480.7030508@fleshgrinder.com> <0B.E0.29316.019CBD65@pb1.pair.com> <56DBFDB5.1010806@fleshgrinder.com> <43.5B.29316.A864DD65@pb1.pair.com> <56DD64F5.5010503@gmail.com> <56DEA829.5030903@gmail.com> <2D.96.15119.232FFD65@pb1.pair.com> <76.21.53667.08C41E65@pb1.pair.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:52:03 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Tony Marston Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11472c0001eb6f052daf9c1d Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC Proposal] var keyword deprecation/removal From: james@asgrim.com (James Titcumb) --001a11472c0001eb6f052daf9c1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It is perfectly legitimate to question the competence, professionalism, > and intelligence of any individual (or group) who seeks to break BC for NO > GOOD REASON other than personal preference. As has already stated, you are insulting people by doing this. Please stop insulting people; as far as I was aware, this is a place for technical discussion, not playground insults and essentially calling everyone who disagrees with you as essentially dumb. > if only you un-clever not-first-rate meddlers would stop breaking the > language for NO GOOD REASON. > Language developers who are incapable of introducing new features without > breaking old ones do not deserve to be regarded as either professional, > competent or intelligent. Saying that I don't actually have to upgrade is a stupid remark to make. some inconsiderate and self-centered group of individuals Please stop with the insults. The integrity of your argument (which you've stated repeatedly, using plenty of capital letters - we get the point, you don't want this change, because you are of the opinion that BC breaks are unacceptable) is totally undermined by resorting to insults and bullying. You are one voice, and you have been heard loud and clear. Speak only for yourself, and not everyone - don't assume that most developers all agree with you. Let them speak, and preferably without insulting them in the process. My opinion is that the RFC is proposed (as this discussion is going nowhere, fast), and we discuss this like adults (without resulting to insulting each other), and ultimately put it to vote. If "var" is kept, then so be it. If "var" is deprecated, then so be it. --001a11472c0001eb6f052daf9c1d--