Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:91574 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43141 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2016 10:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Mar 2016 10:43:28 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.52 mail-wm0-f52.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.52] ([74.125.82.52:35981] helo=mail-wm0-f52.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AB/49-15119-05EFFD65 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 05:43:28 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f52.google.com with SMTP id n186so171723351wmn.1 for ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 02:43:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cZkyiZxvJa7nDao9JH7WgB9iCCdc0zUDbLX8lEljGGo=; b=fpscp7wkGC9qBDP3xSYdIUw5szRnm8BQEpW7ACfyyrNKFBXFEn/HQGLf08hYN1UPx5 ChF8yhn5zNW5mW1lW8fW41geoOYQ8K06iyfA/vUvoA0xpnaGXlQFvdEVgOXO0CQabNLY hdwlZfRv5cHZ+FXpdo3r6wFGyrpHBi0lZSLUiUm799tojCwwYoghgRsLsNXX1LM9pDEf 679Phu/qGBRvUNn1Xcb1NLe9kOSYec8ya22E+YW+t3x6Cux1OGolcF8BYQYSkfBuVkga d1v+3LtslFgnVdA6H8u4cZ87N1DjAyJPXbw97q0s/bDBIhLedrW58Y+c/q4hXttYzIhG fmog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cZkyiZxvJa7nDao9JH7WgB9iCCdc0zUDbLX8lEljGGo=; b=VCxT2mquDnzubAYA/SWEOVPSbtdVdp2zkOo7niGEXiasqsy+eRrHjXgrnhASWV3s+x jMh472+rdbzgqrVbTQKGJiNgY0v2MnyUU6kZkNdV5dwfH/8z/SVKHCXKyCQ3eYBNy7ey ov0YMQIqF6ZZ7dxsrnGws1RkxMGYMzoHQJYsdd9BT3ukEsN/FTgSg3vKFqxm7yNiApn2 JqN1j7yFI2FkFfNPuXhKGS1+ubezudiRuuIL1bUK6wbkVRlCAL4SxXqa8jnkGWtE40Pc k0iqj4f0loMWq9qclBMKD8Xekmc6z+qwb+BQ+tYw91lsrMmIjSz+fa7J0T2hEYbcOXlz OGbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKSc0NW6L2g8TvZbq2f21T/5vk9gM1wtK3QPaSaB57pNch/DoeJtkrRMBlCLMhg3A== X-Received: by 10.28.172.194 with SMTP id v185mr23901248wme.21.1457520205530; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 02:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([93.188.182.58]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z6sm7725119wme.9.2016.03.09.02.43.24 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Mar 2016 02:43:24 -0800 (PST) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <1F.91.55238.41F10D65@pb1.pair.com> <56D42CD3.6020602@gmail.com> <56D57DF4.8000906@gmail.com> <56D5D2AD.6070805@gmail.com> <56D5DDA6.4080607@fleshgrinder.com> <40.73.36499.548B6D65@pb1.pair.com> <56D6BBD0.5010505@gmail.com> <56D73386.3000903@fleshgrinder.com> <86.68.21983.A2508D65@pb1.pair.com> <56D86C00.6000904@fleshgrinder.com> <56dd744b.8157620a.cddfc.74ed@mx.google.com> <56DDEF7B.6080309@fleshgrinder.com> <56DECE15.703@lsces.co.uk> <29.67.15119.486FFD65@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: <56DFFDD3.7030307@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:41:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <29.67.15119.486FFD65@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC Proposal] var keyword deprecation/removal From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Tony Marston wrote on 09/03/2016 10:09: > What we as userland developers do with our own code only affects us. > What you as core developers do with the language affects every one of > the millions of userland developers all over the world. I touched on this in another message, but I think you may have misunderstood the role of some people on this list: most, like you and me, are participating as interested users and occasional contributors. Looking at the list of people who've participated in this particular thread, I'm not sure any one of them has commit rights, or even voting rights - certainly none are people who I would call "core developers" in the sense you seem to mean it. A lot of things are proposed on this list, some gain quick support (like the ??= proposal), some are controversial; many, many, proposals do not result in any change to the language, because there is no consensus, or in some cases, just no interest. It is certainly not the case that if you stop shouting, this deprecation and removal will quietly go ahead. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]