Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:91331 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65071 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2016 20:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Feb 2016 20:49:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.51 mail-pa0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.51] ([209.85.220.51:34217] helo=mail-pa0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 74/33-36948-DCF77C65 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 15:49:18 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fy10so55968431pac.1 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:49:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rNKFYxvKGqQyib+IKe6AWsNZQP4JcyX6s042RY7NAyE=; b=ZL/yESnVFofLPxUkTHziPyVKKytU2mhxrCCJztOyKKEYpoS2v6IualK5niDjYZJnvo N+mb+4UGp96zVHlSjIqdojo9sWOKSjKton+DD975NNrqWr8cydmkIK6cxtIvjajTubd/ qkpjJwaBnCuu+VCZ5T7yQ8GBZq/oYuAq31uZP8zEXpzDygag7YmRVf+p1EsqhZpm7nIp bAqmRvKBsOxje85Owt510arNPCULjOR4n5igp8CKLHQpEAUea68KRl4DAq+yxBOJQN9x hecs2AQ7bjnM5kw+t1IbgIfielNY59Qa38FTAcd8Dou2Hxttotls+KMwv4tQWQfe4yPi JWIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rNKFYxvKGqQyib+IKe6AWsNZQP4JcyX6s042RY7NAyE=; b=bGpLOAoHVlOtVad0F1kQL4R5qRtaiiS8YADMNGLXmTM8ITvAbIMGFie6PQ1Q/hKZhs BEL5rGlQOMxdtJTTw2XWCATjd51MFjfuQa7pB90lLKoU1HeoULASiAywuaxM6CFG1pUf IZEvH/Iv30WWIc4Xi+6pVTfpCdojByjy0HgfqjmGjU5THB2IrHNuhoy0p5J8VGKzZUIx SChq1iW95iUMr8eg34K4gjzhZR/tTq2KqG8yce06xlkwyQhreYaoLu5ZOGmKvYnhCEjr TZtAaz/dUrbySHTQ1+m38vJmrXHVLMJFqS9jzLqts9PRQIoi4+ZFl9BklUy7cHFBNBIk Brow== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQVQ2I1DeeDFncfdfuq4A+LBjm5Bz92DDe3yf6Qnz98YnuFhBb7qtV5pEBjvSrYJw== X-Received: by 10.66.189.165 with SMTP id gj5mr21074178pac.157.1455914954496; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Air.local ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:5112:f0d3:22a8:b2a2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k14sm19806477pfj.0.2016.02.19.12.49.13 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:49:13 -0800 (PST) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <56C77575.4090906@fleshgrinder.com> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1010 Message-ID: <56C77FC8.1070500@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:49:12 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56C77575.4090906@fleshgrinder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC Proposal] var keyword deprecation/removal From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I would not say that the information that the Nielsen Norman Group > puts on their website falls in the category of "somebody putting > something on a website". I think you are trying for an argument of "I agree with some guys that I consider being an authority so you should agree with me". It works only if these guys are established as unerring God-like authority _and_ they spoke on the particular case we are discussing. I don't think either of this is true. So let's dispense with authority appeals for now. > A lot of things are wrong with this (see above reasons) and the RTFM > argument is a thought-terminating cliché. Duplication harms the It is cliche because it's true. You do not need any deep thought to know what aliases are, there is no deep insight to be had there, there is just a thing to know - these two things are two ways of saying the same. It's not really hard or "confusing". > overall design of a language, it results in a maintainability burden > for the developers, hell, even this discussion is only happening and > wasting our time due to these duplications. Wait, so the fact of you arguing for removal of aliases is the proof of you being right? That's neat. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com