Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:91187 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7132 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2016 23:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Feb 2016 23:01:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=sammyk@sammykmedia.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=sammyk@sammykmedia.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sammykmedia.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: sammyk@sammykmedia.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.41 mail-wm0-f41.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.41] ([74.125.82.41:37587] helo=mail-wm0-f41.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 73/31-25203-161CBB65 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:01:53 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id g62so47213367wme.0 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:01:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sammykmedia-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BvmFfCheqmcNu5WKGRkNyk5cl2G1rl7pKODuV80j5kQ=; b=e9qgRNHpIt12zg0qrISOrqNLEbqX285jAdSFWkqRUDDz1B+Kx27bjma/i5EgX8ocQl bMJALRlZtKGdbJBgj3BzTrFhT5DG66E7LPIC6S540ewiockynmbu2z7I4Ez6Q6vH1m61 yDQXNwDOMgLHPLp16XfHVt5GHfLaGqNDFG/LFUwgLKvNVXyAb4g3eIHKpnWG1764pGdn SIZw9odMsRDhz5xZhRVi1OSABM5x/8cYGsXppHE6iLmgBVuLmxk8Mqene9LOzXitb/dh FrDldqd089smQsAwF3lk6ior4RN2vgK9vzjH1mvL1HoAcetIy01cFe3g09ga95NaS84j v3IQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=BvmFfCheqmcNu5WKGRkNyk5cl2G1rl7pKODuV80j5kQ=; b=iUwfGlAjI7BOyEuC1LYOzliWIDpK3nG5c7GAUKdn2i0UbUk0gD9gSewyyfgFFVXgXM IBft1mnKI66kW45IEF9Dt+SsbknwQch8jvkMnm9PbiEY4bq8u/acP71AVOUkRvd3GIQU Xte24HGJuQ/w+mKsJK9d4yC+EXHwALsyYpJ3tEQ9nxXrf+W41LzaHOByGbHIwTdJ5+sO +lsIC3KWVfnZtmOBoCKA6DqkelFxof7IuANBdZ6MVBVHVTjTqlHLnOgwDxCgF5sJZE1p MiT/+2xrI3KccuwrVDoJAUxH3sostRjLrLY9PvrvdcZA+HwvYP9M3klHPy2ea5rnnK3z NJNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQYGcQzNcyNtzyFJE2QNMhPuWvb0ETc0EKHZnE3YWYQTgmIhTSNwgE7dAsukL3+hEgEm0oeGcUKoUDuWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.173.208 with SMTP id w199mr12971965wme.45.1455145310318; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) Sender: sammyk@sammykmedia.com Received: by 10.194.176.225 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [173.167.188.51] In-Reply-To: <56BA2AD2.1080305@gmail.com> References: <56B9F00B.5020305@mprelu.de> <56B9F865.5000005@gmail.com> <56BA01B5.3050303@mprelu.de> <56BA04BA.8020306@gmail.com> <56BA0AEA.9090906@mprelu.de> <56BA251C.7060606@gmail.com> <56BA286B.1090900@mprelu.de> <56BA2AD2.1080305@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:01:50 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8Q72jNLBk7ku78NyHVrdpHbZIfc Message-ID: To: Rowan Collins Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Contributor Guidelines, and Updates to Code of Conduct progress From: me@sammyk.me (Sammy Kaye Powers) Thanks so much for taking this up Derick! :) The mission points could be reworked a bit. > * Make everybody happier, especially those responsible for developing PHP itself. This has a slight insinuation that non-internals/new people are annoying to the core PHP team. Also, what makes one happy really varies from person to person so this should be more specific. This point should be moved to the bottom of the list and read: "To level the expectations of everyone involved in order to reduce unnecessary friction and improve the overall efficiency of the PHP internals community". > * Help in making sure we all use our time more efficiently. How about: "To create an efficient and inviting collaboration environment" (This should be the first point) > * Prevent you from making a fool of yourself in public. This one sounds angry. :) This would be better: "To lower the learning curve for new potential contributors by aggregating tribal knowledge" > * Increase the general level of goodwill on planet Earth. That seems a bit out of scope. :) I'd just remove this point. > * [..] It is better to be descriptive than to be concise. > * Write as much as is necessary, but as little as you can get away with. These points seem to be contradictory. Perhaps we could further explain these two points to disambiguate them a bit? Or perhaps merge them together in the same point? > * Do not hijack threads, by bringing up entirely new topics. Please create an entirely new thread copying anything you wish to quote into the new thread. > * Don't hijack other peoples' threads. To post on a new topic, start a new message, don't reply and just change the subject. These points are redundant so we should remove one of them. Lastly the overall tone of the document could be bit more inviting, especially since I can see this document being the entry point for new contributors getting involved. Some of the sentences read like they were written in frustration. I can send a PR to make it a bit softer in spots if people agree on this point. :) Great work on this so far Derick! :) Thanks, Sammy Kaye Powers sammyk.me