Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:91176 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14380 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2016 17:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Feb 2016 17:44:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.49 mail-wm0-f49.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.49] ([74.125.82.49:37430] helo=mail-wm0-f49.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FA/50-12072-B752AB65 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:44:27 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id g62so33753733wme.0 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 09:44:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6iC7/3P3int5SEQFV8B6TrOdBxB8Cp5jD8kpTh6VtAs=; b=xgPyN37vaP/tJ9gEXfP9RC+Q3sRGk9XYDcu+c0hI61iBK1cJNG6H83fEJpIj2b2JaV R1j4r7a/n1wtmzlfWEqVeqh146NnCs5u49cUukQmQm8SzUOFmNj+qb3yLNNXXImi2/WG Ge5jqc19WblKQItPnVuWwke7zooOhEx68DNDai8c84/+vfv6HtTImW5k0c9dfVnKjOo/ 1hFxOmmAe/NvGynJX4Zd2yPYk66w7SvYtZqR6kejWrwoFiiNAo++fYVoRBbRYkva8PH+ MMCaToppzJLoLzwRLkCBT4g6uoXObfpmgfdq1iwLhIP5hzFHIvOejq+/jz0tSsTwyAAU aR0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6iC7/3P3int5SEQFV8B6TrOdBxB8Cp5jD8kpTh6VtAs=; b=R5CdioBwB0MHOolGqWwrtMFr/x+AbV06N7AwxCf41LQNmSB7XGOa/3drtjEOQtgPqb v+gVO1J6n8jgVN4GKAM0N3+6+zHgMDjBa3K9uGynzLyZTwBSgGTnvZoaNgdX5ytIjckB S9ZlDyoBq9oNpl0uRgSHsSuG/DgzBlMQGXvfpAIrPhnlnxrRE0kwSQdq+WBCXsHj6W3O CtDdQUdhvhWWMW3R3C2nSQ7qnBeaPf3AMtcdlghDmie3qLgJEFlZfHWpZVwuALVdWy+h LzVeDKQ1JaGJobLbChDuzQH0bd67E+czMb9nnZryJ2v8qX5Ff/EPeks/2RCTZx9RJ8bZ AWNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSfQIGnQNA1gUYblsgHkid7nXigXwR/rbWLWBjtHpvJD+QDsZafaXQaGleh4Q+s5Q== X-Received: by 10.194.123.167 with SMTP id mb7mr41514538wjb.0.1455039864784; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 09:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.152] ([93.188.182.58]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 74sm18623024wmn.17.2016.02.09.09.44.23 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 09:44:23 -0800 (PST) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <56B9F00B.5020305@mprelu.de> <56B9F865.5000005@gmail.com> <56BA01B5.3050303@mprelu.de> <56BA04BA.8020306@gmail.com> <56BA0AEA.9090906@mprelu.de> Message-ID: <56BA251C.7060606@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:42:52 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56BA0AEA.9090906@mprelu.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Contributor Guidelines, and Updates to Code of Conduct progress From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Matt Prelude wrote on 09/02/2016 15:51: > Without the right to face the accuser, the accusation, or a guarantee > that > all supporting AND contradictory evidence and testimony will be > published, > this is a 'secret court' proposal. Without going into point by point discussion, I think you're conflating several things here: 1) the right of the accused to know *what* they are accused of, which I agree is fundamental 2) the right of the accused to know *who* is doing the accusing, which may be implied by (1), but may also be in conflict with other rights the accuser holds, and have to be balanced against them 3) the right of the public to scrutinise the entire process, including all submissions by both parties In particular, private mediation between two parties - granting (1) and (2), but withholding (3) - is sometimes the most constructive approach, at least until that mediation breaks down. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]