Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:91027 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 32709 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2016 21:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jan 2016 21:10:44 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jakub.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jakub.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.44 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jakub.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.44 mail-vk0-f44.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.44] ([209.85.213.44:34350] helo=mail-vk0-f44.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 42/F1-19320-2D62DA65 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:10:42 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id e185so58957814vkb.1 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:10:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fiR1IgxtgwQ+BGwFxVB1yWoBxlq3EtWge8Hjr7wbe6I=; b=nVKzHBms+ObprsPnSJNiBu1SBRROjNVnFqMZuik5n/Q0cSsfHRcjvQwEzOooi2chO3 OLBMYlzOjqipOaq7B3wQg07I8nCfeB279zL1Wj0CMa/mwxMs/ayyYr3e9m6XE/AzEtxI Lsa4FWrNAXHQNPWnKI7+6fxEVHsT19SsvdzvjXYKHK2TTpfdDxyo4tzGYwLkDDMofCp9 MiVHZIAEPRT8uOM8gpy1FAfWbm1Hg2oif7YHjx9i0W0nQDHMxLrgQXSrcwuI3+Ho82Z+ jWS+tcX3lJSZprzUOBcLVOqWSQ7VCaC5d9RWG9ESJV6PDVw29h0VOsYXbLtpIw0idVD8 7KuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=fiR1IgxtgwQ+BGwFxVB1yWoBxlq3EtWge8Hjr7wbe6I=; b=ktWXvvzviriQ3tOqZG/5tNAGYY92qeHArIzT71QtOZrJACGtoVa0txufAPG/PjYG1b rXEe9QiMnkRMKh21m58oO3ORomnZ10fNyR8Zp6fXWtBD4q8NVqBS53gwI1ZMSNJpXXmB cNhYwKbWq0TuhHRrhqgzWjJPb0ewaMpSa4YjLRFik/UAIjpFiqkUA38NdaFgYiBAO8xI C7yNqiixCqu9FVr7ooBmqNq0j0zYWF9g+Vj3ZqXwpajrgwrxhqkMpwVpCjXTONQjks0U BQh3OPdQNvSQtjmzPWbYGJyshGtPWMs1VYjEJTvU76PjbRR4NsVEwg/v23vhZJZyUYbw GZ3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQE5Vi8FxPHnru21Zp8O0GUOfMHOxowF1U+GC/i51Tpl1CpoY+lcaQPLxBwn2EjLR3l9SFn2gtTwSGXXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.52.65 with SMTP id b62mr10366897vka.61.1454188239633; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Sender: jakub.php@gmail.com Received: by 10.31.65.202 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.65.202 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:10:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6F.D4.55829.C14FCA65@pb1.pair.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:10:39 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Q7Lh4wRtffPNMZoFDFyPbElf3GY Message-ID: To: Joe Constant Cc: PHP internals list , Andrea Faulds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143fdde75c2f4052a9395af Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Should we rethink the 50%+1 requirement for non-"language changes"? From: bukka@php.net (Jakub Zelenka) --001a1143fdde75c2f4052a9395af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 30 Jan 2016 19:37, "Joe Constant" wrote: > > >>P.S. Please don't top post... ;) > I'm not trying to thread hijack. Just trying to add to the discussion. The ops post was in regards to RFCs passing to easily. My contention with the low voter turnout is in line (or at least intended to be in line) with that. No worries. It was just a friendly reminder that top posting makes a discussion hard to follow. ;) I didn't try to suggest that you are trying to hijack the thread. Btw. you still top post (the previous email was below...) :) try to reply into the message or below, then it's cool ;) > > >> It's often a specific feature for extension so moving everything to PECL is not really an option. > My argument is that if it affects core, a certain percentage of voting members (people that have taken on the responsibility of directing the future of core) should be required to vote. I understand that they may not be interested, but if the voter turnout is really that low, the proponents should be doing more to drum up interest rather than simply allowing an RFC to pass. I think that the main problem is that many of our core extensions are quite neglected. There is a much bigger interest in a fancy core engine (language) features than in fixing bugs or adding small features to the core extension. I don't think there should be any limit on number of votes as it would make it hard to get small features in. Of course there is no point in doing RFC if there is no objection but if there was a single objection to a small feature, then it would be almost impossible to get it in. Cheers Jakub --001a1143fdde75c2f4052a9395af--