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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: amacgregor@allanmacgregor.com (Allan MacGregor)

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Hi Stanislav,

I have made a small change to The Pragmatist Code of conduct from 
'behave like an adult to 'you are expected to show others civility and 
courtesy.'

 > This one basically can be TLDRed as "behave as an adult". Which is nice
 > if we were to agree what it means, but that is in no way automatic, thus
 > I am afraid it is not enough :) Assuming good faith is a nice touch
 > though, I like it.

That should be cleared, and assuming good faith should be part of the 
CoC no matter which one we choose in the end, having people in the 
project so many diverse background and cultures.

Here is the thing, it might not be enough but is at least what I 
consider a minimal foundation; the way the conversation has approach the 
problem so far is trying to elaborate on every single scenario and how 
to penalize the bad actors on those scenarios.

But if we are to agree into a first version of the PHP CoC then we 
should start with minimum requirements the MVP if you like :D.

Asking people to assume good faith and be civil is in my opinion all we 
can and should ask in my opinion; yes there will be misunderstandings, 
yes there will be bad actors. But when the time comes those scenarios 
can be deal with.

This at it's core is what really bothers me about the Contributors 
Covenant and the whole narrative behind that assumes to worst in people; 
that in my opinion is fundamentally wrong.

Assume the best in people and you will pleasantly surprised, assume the 
worst of them and all your fears will be validated.

Kind Regards,
Allan MacGregor

Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> Now, if we are still adamant on coming up with a CoC first I would like
>> to put forward the following 3 documents as alternatives for the
>> Contributor Covenant:
>>
>>
>> [A contribution policy for open source that
>> works](https://medium.com/@jmaynard/a-contribution-policy-for-open-source-that-works-bfc4600c9d83#.d53666v7u)
>
> This one deals with code contributions, but our discussion is wider. In
> fact, we never, as far as I could remember, had code contribution which
> was per se controversial. We did have ones that were controversial in
> that we disagreed on whether or not that code is doing what we actually
> want to do, but the code usually is not a problem.
>
>> [The Code of
>> Merit](https://github.com/rosarior/Code-of-Merit/blob/master/CODE_OF_MERIT.md)
>
> I don't particularly like this approach, it sounds too defensive.
>
>> [The Pragmatists Code of
>> Conduct](https://github.com/amacgregor/Pragmatists-Code-of-Conduct/blob/master/Prag-Code-of-Conduct.md)
>
>
> This one basically can be TLDRed as "behave as an adult". Which is nice
> if we were to agree what it means, but that is in no way automatic, thus
> I am afraid it is not enough :) Assuming good faith is a nice touch
> though, I like it.

-- 
Allan MacGregor
coderoncode.com <http://coderoncode.com>


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