Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90897 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64992 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2016 01:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2016 01:01:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=amacgregor@allanmacgregor.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=amacgregor@allanmacgregor.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain allanmacgregor.com from 209.85.223.172 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: amacgregor@allanmacgregor.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.172 mail-io0-f172.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.172] ([209.85.223.172:34447] helo=mail-io0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4D/53-42451-FC375A65 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:01:04 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 1so137021860ion.1 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:01:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=allanmacgregor-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=hGKyxr20TgbBMy4vVqXmre/FV3BzMRwIrPtqdmtbzxs=; b=TzuWUSxztwMXNochVoSnMtq7j/tf5UP92rSQhzdEiAz5DmUNJBJfp+L0rsqyzOmdT5 InrhOzds00PJ0ZFGNNP1uD4jlD5fORPdrQ6u83SY/CrvaLOtoC7lPNJCXiYkbU2DhyyK /2sYyO5qqzTzhk1RpuQj2MVDCk9TgwJ0TSnWxErwFCM3TsAS6r52DFw7/MhMO+HOGK72 xiySqhwQEFkAM/pr7Lz7L1m+3C2X993d0V3zMsQ5SVE1J8ZAdfdpKbcKkZ4IgKNNhWBx iF8jV6GHYF+kvo6TUN0UH7dJdtwHws1ZBTR+fJGS8Pl+abSH3VvAOicb3gfelV5cn0ZM p0uA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=hGKyxr20TgbBMy4vVqXmre/FV3BzMRwIrPtqdmtbzxs=; b=i5FIp1CoY1a2jxXOyz/kCHvsNl4Rf+nKcNtK9Awb/L1JzMf8EEFBxb0IgaOg+UWS4I zG3QWCV5XjHbIzxwuGxcWHkTUWEE2Qh4zoMXW7PAW2FJhomo/RnuzeroOdgu/dzkzdVl O7998JL50tWj9q5aTvsX7ejTQGwO/tvUqvM/mGWAVcC+5pRa0ZVVNZxRmCuuN8QHAheh hc9Djh9K/j7jj1EKSW9F4Yz0duVTdORSlN5MR5rTVWr5xilP0wegQJ7FLh3PXIQ/jTm2 6g2EzdXElUkT/g8znVIWQVW4Q856I5tF8y9LT1B1wMAvkPSAnRs6OiJStlAd0mK2yXfQ 44uQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS+gcxTUo9YWfGP93Rhvp1Fx4Z7H4Jb8WytPPRU0dHOR7kZ9UTAPsK4Jq+00gUsPw== X-Received: by 10.107.157.213 with SMTP id g204mr16349132ioe.169.1453683660116; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from Allans-MacBook-Pro.local ([75.98.19.132]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p127sm7208344iop.36.2016.01.24.17.00.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:00:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <56A573C2.4070202@allanmacgregor.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:00:50 -0500 Reply-To: amacgregor@allanmacgregor.com User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sharon Levy CC: ajf@ajf.me, PHP internals References: <023119E29B154072B09D82ED35C29C36@sharonc67d61d6> In-Reply-To: <023119E29B154072B09D82ED35C29C36@sharonc67d61d6> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040003070704010600020700" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct From: amacgregor@allanmacgregor.com (Allan MacGregor) --------------040003070704010600020700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, I been following the discussion over the weekend, albeit I been hesitant to post again I decided to write a blog post with everything in my mind regarding the subject. Feel free to read it at http://coderoncode.com/community/2016/01/24/on-codes-on-conduct.html Now, back to the issue at hand I think the current discussion is starting to derail from a meaningful conversation and productive output. It's clear that our opinions vary drastically when it comes down to the currently proposed CoC; from what scope should it cover, to what restrictions, to what if any kind of punitive actions should be taken. I believe that is time to take a step back, and start with a smaller goal; let's establish the PHP Community values first, set those up as a detached document from the CoC. What does the PHP Community stand for: - Openness - Communication - Stuffed Elephants Let's start small and move from there, once that's in place we can have a more productive conversation about a code of conduct that actually matches this community values. Now, if we are still adamant on coming up with a CoC first I would like to put forward the following 3 documents as alternatives for the Contributor Covenant: [A contribution policy for open source that works](https://medium.com/@jmaynard/a-contribution-policy-for-open-source-that-works-bfc4600c9d83#.d53666v7u) [The Code of Merit](https://github.com/rosarior/Code-of-Merit/blob/master/CODE_OF_MERIT.md) [The Pragmatists Code of Conduct](https://github.com/amacgregor/Pragmatists-Code-of-Conduct/blob/master/Prag-Code-of-Conduct.md) Cheers! Sharon Levy wrote: > Or, is the purpose of the CoC really a device to control perceptions, > i.e. protect the image of the PHP project and its citizens? > >>> Well, that would also be a benefit. I don't think these are exclusive >>> goals. If PHP isn't inviting, people won't want to contribute. > > > > What I fear is that if the citizenry of Userland and PHPland do not feel > at liberty to publicly and freely express their criticism of the PHP > project, then important feedback will not be forthcoming, feedback that > could aid in advancing PHP. > > > > Also, if taking personal responsibility for one's communication style > seems like an unworthy value to subscribe to, then it seems that a BDFL > might be in order. > > > > My own unsolicited 0.02 is that their should be a brief lexicon of > expressions that are deemed inappropriate for discussion along with > *suggested* substitutions. > > > > Those who feel only comfortable with rigid rules underestimate the power > that freedom affords to the creative process. > > > > So, is this CoC really about attracting new thoughts or is it about > making the status quo an even more comfortable place for those who count > as part of the meritocracy? > > > > ^Z > > > > > > -- Allan MacGregor coderoncode.com --------------040003070704010600020700--