Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90874 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84945 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2016 07:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jan 2016 07:40:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.53 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.53 mail-pa0-f53.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.53] ([209.85.220.53:33069] helo=mail-pa0-f53.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4C/10-16574-8DF74A65 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:40:08 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id cy9so64242349pac.0 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:40:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2fAbtnnDu32I9gD7Y8N4x79pdq9J/kbd9I8XwRTM86I=; b=i6nKMfcGEPGzvQVBkccp/+xQTsIhAdQFMoMznCyCiRenxdDtB0yfUrtaVF8M7zTEQ4 Qgy4yGWTuEu6NO6soAHTcZ7naRAveTPEbXlDfGUpLNO7ZFfkqPXSCTbFtgwONSwUpEfj 9erifIk/YTluuTu74mM5ZRskDjZyWDQnI904gJ6E1FJPYpoAoQDaCZ9DC7FgKtiBwPK4 /xPxjR/6zvaxtsAutT56FuGsV6Fg6alLov/1ocVBtQfUJ6xfbxxKZ6ILpug0Ms4clB7R 0vcfFNDAbOJn3WsBPg76awJBnUf+HAmz69sQDOWNJPsv2n3GW+6nlDpmQZyHBzM+ZXwp WAuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2fAbtnnDu32I9gD7Y8N4x79pdq9J/kbd9I8XwRTM86I=; b=FeknQM7KmNT9PTsisH0sGTk1a9z77RTFSHAiu7+owpAg3Q8Sb5JDA4n1DtMOcZcl/m miNXOr4xoa1n9kX7JoEj5K8gr3LNxclC5FEPQrdeodjMWmd22XSYyq3o2l9YefuuQ94s YhKEPGo5jk5yVeLA83D36aQ/5fyFDRtqW+6dsgO2oUhEbJ9SiyqhuizZ89eDX0UcIetC sXJolJn4J6wfiqy2IoiUZlJMvdiT0yNHkldl/LBf4vcQW/xStwdPO614sUb9Km3oAqO9 H7z/GVDjhpzdET1NDwFjuoqj2pl3ofEN40wIBjllTLxj2NgI8bEP+L0bCDVUVYsILD1l MzPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YORhGxbpQ7XYPaYvUqIDUWHcVCJbzKsdxuWyz+/50qlRjKg0NoWuB7G10doInz6NNQ== X-Received: by 10.66.193.36 with SMTP id hl4mr16999374pac.153.1453621204490; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Air.local ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:2995:6f75:98ed:899c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yl1sm20233923pac.35.2016.01.23.23.40.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:40:03 -0800 (PST) To: Pierre Joye References: <56A43770.9080104@gmail.com> Cc: PHP internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A47FD0.5010902@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:40:00 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I think we should have used temporary bans a bit more to cool down > things. Including to myself along other. Ban is a very dangerous thing, since it excludes people from discussion thus preventing it from reaching a conclusion, achieving consensus and closure, and it also hurts people and labels them ("ah, this guy who was already banned stirs up things again? let's just ignore him, he's obviously a troll"). Stopping discussion by ban breeds resentment on the banned side and taints whatever the other side achieved with "if I only were not banned, I would prove you are wrong". Of course, there might be cases where behavior turns destructive to the point consensus just can not be reached, but if the person is still committed to overall goals of the project, neutral third-party moderation would usually help. Not 100% of cases, but usually. At least that's my conviction. So I think using bans more "to cool things down" would not be healthy. Using neutral third party to advise people to cool down (and maybe take a break) might be. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com