Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90873 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80426 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2016 05:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jan 2016 05:51:14 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.53 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.53 mail-pa0-f53.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.53] ([209.85.220.53:33184] helo=mail-pa0-f53.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 76/AC-03822-15664A65 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:51:14 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id cy9so63478918pac.0 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:51:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IGkAwrfJ2LwjN1OsmCBbmWl/7XqtJ976DNtNsGVaO4I=; b=HsaU6wEaUslBfWG9NenCz3Pke8izEUQ3wuJevi/CoucUqxNOEfMMbye6vhgpxK+iWh 0NIxhkhPE494A87o1KbeMKInd8qO5ioS3rpJcKbjZE/ZIH0PF8tEw3ZrwKjjaGFPHUIY VWg5dfRMExmKaAJ7lUElWl1WzIwaPfaWqOTNnQjxmFuUq/YnXp3W/Apv5K+AxD9CV41u /IdQkdDm0bBcvkm25tFmR6HPIDh1l7aoCnH1EURdf061ml1KjHgQmtZyeDAHprxJGLQ0 uWDFSG1xOuT9ay6c5uVwnZPo/YN4JqaOCZNaPqYfqsdz/yojxx2w5YgruPt4aoN1OZM0 Nv+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IGkAwrfJ2LwjN1OsmCBbmWl/7XqtJ976DNtNsGVaO4I=; b=m/mL1k49gHFs0S5XkH7zkKGIhLHYWZrnUsyyCkZjS0yROfcRDIP32+yoYI4nINs+fi 2FQa7imW+0JYhCgVUVtClHAEdVQ3o4pwQfl/gH4U0w36WKqYZm6CdfdirjxNYrwGQC4r jfk0rkjUnffBHjN3xwGEJZ1P5x0qDk5aBtuXePvNZ20p12GQvJ0wXOBAJD4OUH2C8y2k Ei7HVT+3jyndN1uFzxnMM8zgJb8c0hPBJgRMrdUIIRSeFTt8k8fp8ugAvffPe8mi8mux ChnZjpOBM1e1mHzu0NYbgzn/kpqXXRj4ttlpsTtbAGSMC2TNAj+Z6rPQKD/Rds3fg8BK E4wA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTpwdxYzI+6KpRwXwyt7sYqlcyD+km2qJZY9+86tqj/ovBVtPVQLuJmveu39rvDhA== X-Received: by 10.67.14.136 with SMTP id fg8mr15683937pad.105.1453614669624; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Air.local ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:2995:6f75:98ed:899c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r89sm19705295pfa.57.2016.01.23.21.51.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:51:08 -0800 (PST) To: Andrea Faulds , internals@lists.php.net References: <56A3F0FA.1050609@mprelu.de> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A46649.8030802@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:51:05 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > This is a question I'm wondering about as well. It all seems pretty > good, but I wonder if, for example, the lists of unwelcome behaviour and > discrimination characteristics are sufficiently complete. They are not supposed to be complete. Again, we're not writing a penal code. If somebody does something clearly destructive but not in the laundry list, we'd have to deal with it and we'll find the way to. The list is just to show what kind of behavior we see as unacceptable, not to provide complete list with a presumption if it's not on the list, it must be OK. For "discrimination characteristics" it's even worse, as we'd be pretending to have a complete list of human identity and background groups, which we can not have, and each failure mode for it is worse than the other - either we presume anything we omitted does not exist, or is not important enough, or it's OK to discriminate against members of that group. Also, nobody ever reads these lists anyway - checking everything against the exact list of a dozen or so items is not a common behavior, considerate person would behave in a way to be polite to everybody without the list, and inconsiderate person would ignore it anyway. I think simple "we respect everybody regardless of personal and group identity" would be enough. Just as when we say we'd be polite we do not list offensive words we don't use, when we say we'd be fair we shouldn't list ways in which we won't be unfair. And even if we do give examples, we should not pretend to have "complete" list. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com