Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90871 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76882 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2016 05:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jan 2016 05:24:18 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 176.248.2.57 unknown Received: from [176.248.2.57] ([176.248.2.57:19392] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D2/FB-03822-10064A65 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:24:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net References: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 05:24:12 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 176.248.2.57 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Specific incident in relationship to the proposed Codeof Conduct From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) Hi Zeev, Zeev Suraski wrote: > I think that the case you brought up could be very easily solved in a penalty-free CoC: > 1. One of the mediation team members contacts Gary (privately) - either proactively or as a response to a complaint, pointing out to him that a PR like this, even as a joke, reflects badly on the project and may be considered by some as in violation of the CoC. > 2. Gary, who obviously meant no harm to anybody, says 'Sure, didn't think that'll offend anybody, but I'll refrain from doing it in the future'. > 3. Case closed. > > We seem over-focused on the situation where the person's response in #2 would be ignoring the request from the mediation team, or worse, where the likelihood of that is slim to non-existent. I'd like to point out that you don't need a "penalty-free CoC" for this anyway. Unless the case was particularly egregious, why would enforcers immediately apply sanctions here? The steps you outlined are exactly what I would imagine happening in a CoC which did have penalties/ Penalties are always a last resort. Why do we always seem to assume the people responsible for administering them would not be reasonable enough to think that? Is there this much distrust in the PHP community? Thanks. -- Andrea Faulds https://ajf.me/