Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90842 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45289 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2016 19:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2016 19:42:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jbafford@zort.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jbafford@zort.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zort.net designates 96.241.205.2 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jbafford@zort.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 96.241.205.2 nova.zort.net Received: from [96.241.205.2] ([96.241.205.2:45211] helo=nova.zort.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D7/79-12955-92682A65 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:42:34 -0500 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pulsar.zort.net [96.241.205.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by nova.zort.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0MJgNN3000322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:42:23 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:42:22 -0500 Cc: Derick Rethans , Florian Anderiasch , Pierre Joye , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <56A25C2D.3060903@anderiasch.de> To: Chase Peeler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct From: jbafford@zort.net (John Bafford) Chase, On Jan 22, 2016, at 13:15, Chase Peeler wrote: >=20 > 1.) I think everyone already knows how to be an adult. The fact that > sometimes we don't act in a civil manner isn't because we don't have > something telling us what civil behavior entails. Putting it in = writing > might make us feel good, but it isn't going to change how anyone = behaves. > Putting it in writing is necessary only if you intended to have a way = to > enforce it - which requires some form of punitive measures for those = that > don't, as well as a way to determine if someone violated them. I disagree with part of your assertion here. Having a written down statement of expected behavior is useful from the = standpoint that it makes it much easier for others to point at and say, = =E2=80=9Clook, you=E2=80=99re out of line, knock it off=E2=80=9D. For example: where I live, it=E2=80=99s local regulation that in a = public park, dogs must be on leashes. (Doesn=E2=80=99t matter how big, = or small, or how friendly, or how well-behaved, *all* dogs *must* be on = leashes at *all* times, except where otherwise specifically allowed, = such as in dog parks.) Occasionally, some people forget (or ignore, or = don=E2=80=99t know about) that restriction (or forget they=E2=80=99re = not in a dog park). It=E2=80=99s a whole lot easier to call out the = misguided/accidental/bad behavior when someone can point at the posted = sign and say, =E2=80=9Chey, please leash your dog; unleashed dogs = aren=E2=80=99t allowed here,=E2=80=9D because then it can=E2=80=99t be = taken only as someone complaining just to complain; instead, it=E2=80=99s = someone pointing out an actual, written, violation of the rules, backed = up by a six foot tall sign. Having the sign also serves the purpose of reminding everyone (good and = bad citizens alike) what the rules are so they can be more confident in = calling out bad actors. It helps prevent or improve either of these two = scenarios: =E2=80=9CHmm=E2=80=A6 I think dogs must be leashed=E2=80=A6 = but I can=E2=80=99t remember? Probably shouldn=E2=80=99t say anything = just in case I=E2=80=99m wrong=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D, or, =E2=80=9Cwow, = that=E2=80=99s a pretty unfriendly person and their dog. I better get = the number from that sign so I can call the parks department and report = them." Putting a code of conduct, or contributor guidelines, or whatever you = want to call it *in writing* (and regularly posting them to the mailing = list as a reminder) serves exactly the same purpose as that sign at the = park: gently remind everyone what the rules are; provide something = clearly in writing that everyone can look at and understand; and provide = contact information for questions and complaints. Written guidelines = *absolutely will* bring about a change in how people behave: it may not = immediately deter bad actors, but it will empower the neutral and good = actors in bringing about censure and rehabilitation of those not acting = in the public interest. -John