Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90839 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 37407 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2016 18:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jan 2016 18:59:07 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php-internals@leetchee.fr; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php-internals@leetchee.fr; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain leetchee.fr designates 91.236.239.73 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php-internals@leetchee.fr X-Host-Fingerprint: 91.236.239.73 srv225.fhnet.fr Received: from [91.236.239.73] ([91.236.239.73:58618] helo=smtp.leetchee.fr) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 75/F7-12955-7FB72A65 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:59:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.leetchee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E7CEC1B84 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:59:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=leetchee.fr; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :mime-version:user-agent:date:date:message-id:from:from :references:to:subject:subject; s=ymir; t=1453489137; x= 1454353137; bh=CbwDqp825zRf5p0cNEu2L5KBH5GURbzu5z7xCvEM55I=; b=c CRYFNUgyTSQxYWFFj6FReJCzL5qGKqPjhbj7YJ/DJI80WDngtW34vJx90dRSWfa6 eFbobAtWPWZhbVgpAM9EgZtDW5shV9VMlICSMsmKlmzvnyCP92TdZVwrANjBmwHS Ema33WnFgfG1/isWBPJsGKMVvQaz3KZcedE9cYvH54= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.leetchee.fr X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 tagged_above=-9999 required=6.31 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-10, BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.leetchee.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.leetchee.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wBNO9E19VOka for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:58:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (yggdrasil.aldarone.fr [109.190.53.50]) by smtp.leetchee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 834BBEC1236 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:58:55 +0100 (CET) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <56A25C2D.3060903@anderiasch.de> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A27BEE.1040006@leetchee.fr> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:58:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct From: php-internals@leetchee.fr (Alda Marteau-Hardi) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello everyone ! It's my first mail here and before writing anything else I'd like to say that I'm thankful to Anthony and Derick for carrying this RFC. Now… I have one issue with this argument : Chase Peeler a écrit le 22/01/2016 19:15 : > 3.) Finally, I think a Code of Conduct that includes punitive > measures is a bad idea. I won't go into details on why, as we've > gone over them in detail, but I'll sum it up as follows: a Code of > Conduct that gives a small group of people the ability to punish > others is open to abuse. I'm not saying that anyone proposing such > a code of conduct has evil intentions, or even that anyone on this > list would purposely act in an evil way if a member of the > committee. In fact, the reason I feel such Codes of Conduct is > dangerous is that someone acting in what they feel IS a noble way > can easily do the opposite. I think it falls in the « perfect solution » fallacy. We have the current situation, which is already open to abuse (see the repeated references towards « the toxicity of internals ») and because such abuses can still happen with a Code of Conduct and the team in charge of watching its application you consider that it is a bad idea. Furthermore, the abuses that may be perpetuated by such a team are already limited by the « Accountability » paragraph of the RFC : « The PHP project voting body has the right to overturn any action taken the Community Mediation Team by vote (50% + 1 required to overturn). » Respectfully yours, - -- Alda Marteau-Hardi XMPP: alda@leetchee.fr | Web: http://aldarone.fr/ GPG: 0xC2F8A5C7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWonvuAAoJEDKPoMbC+KXHeTQH/RdpxlejsT9tg3u42lrIvpQs GiJ2nK8sTJvTfu2Mz6JGpFTwcIzFrw3h2xy8vRInuHHn8nx1mdDJL2lb1AhnlXjm bB2rZCAjj/I6Z5+YiAehRqm2fHoye+qEu72Q4Temea8bQGwHmQZXtVG+NIbH+lU/ nFTEUfAodtDTUfowXbDj3qQGnvyLYnmH0Uzvl9oEK8AkUpAqRzKCyA88O9hBhCwy Sy6Pqu1YC7O+7ZuTb7x5Y6FG0c9dMFMIzDsayPGhavyt95AQY/GdDqFnAZNZhQAE 73ktZTBNf9AKB/0BfJ3KbFiEP39iZiEEgOhrXa/k2aJoXzl8C7iLJh9Nli/Kh/s= =OA7I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----