Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90796 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74927 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2016 16:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jan 2016 16:36:37 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 178.62.40.5 ajf.me Received: from [178.62.40.5] ([178.62.40.5:3378] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FD/4D-09073-41901A65 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net References: <45CA8C41-4C0A-418C-925D-4B147ECBF297@gohearsay.com> <56A0EC53.2030206@allanmacgregor.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:36:31 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 178.62.40.5 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) Paul M. Jones wrote: > That's a nice try, but since the Contributor Covenant is a political document, the politics of those who favor it are fair game. Also, your attempt to characterize "quoting someone's own words" as "personal attacks" is noted. Inherently, any discussion concerning interactions between people is "political". Politics is not the exclusive domain of states, it's a feature of any and every social group. And unfortunately, any document which says that you can't discriminate is political, any document which says harassment is wrong is political, in fact anything which proscribes any behaviour of any kind is political. Also, arguing against a code of conduct is, in itself, also political. If you don't think a code of conduct is necessary, it's a political statement, just as being in favour of one is. So, basically, what I'm saying that complaining something involves "politics" is fruitless, because of course it does. Instead, argue your case for why the "politics" of it is - that is, the content - is bad. If it happens to be written by people who disagree from your political persuasion, that would be immaterial. The content is what is being discussed and potentially adopted, not the author's personal views. -- Andrea Faulds https://ajf.me/