Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90783 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48322 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2016 15:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jan 2016 15:04:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 207.46.100.125 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 207.46.100.125 mail-by2on0125.outbound.protection.outlook.com Received: from [207.46.100.125] ([207.46.100.125:27712] helo=na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 24/38-09073-683F0A65 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:04:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=RWSoftware.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-zend-com; h=From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=wOYED7lhHI6KwWy9dGlw7BxgWW76q5vMCT9pU2J5rQ4=; b=r0ruwOgxD2WBgKL2QTUYp6NQzuWd9fUzkrjEAPRdUWKNcxeatbY43j3dSz/c/li4Etfvh3Okei5g0JrfrPMZto2lYYGOap48NJ5903FtykxiO34tt5gsBFddo/7sHW5GgFsDGpTcGo1q7hjVg9zvvpW6HCCLzJk4znPKkSPS+Ps= Received: from BY2PR02MB298.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.141.140.21) by BY2PR02MB300.namprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.141.140.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.365.19; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:04:35 +0000 Received: from BY2PR02MB298.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.140.21]) by BY2PR02MB298.namprd02.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.140.21]) with mapi id 15.01.0365.024; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:04:35 +0000 To: Sascha Schumann CC: "internals@lists.php.net" Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct Thread-Index: AQHRU7V2VG1aBgIsaUK65yLx/Z+MxZ8E3zGAgAA46ICAAGFaoIAAkVQAgAAH4bk= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:04:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <43.8B.22511.75120A65@pb1.pair.com> ,<1385445140.3821.fd941ca0-f3d1-4b3c-8747-f8166ff46b39.open-xchange@ox.myrasec.de> In-Reply-To: <1385445140.3821.fd941ca0-f3d1-4b3c-8747-f8166ff46b39.open-xchange@ox.myrasec.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=zeev@zend.com; x-originating-ip: [64.198.86.4] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;BY2PR02MB300;5:S48TYVcKhE5I35+ODABwvNBF0L/SLjIw3WdbnYY3jrjWqX5OCI9Cg0g0f1cqd7bu9SHZ8Zoyq24QzI1NH0MpXzd25NGTW6ZbaBYBDUbgWGpjuX8w2BymLaNnBkMcS7Nj+dOoUDzsVZQq4tZAsDg1Sg==;24:yfqhtEXfsyIx2eVKefGPmCnz6yR62j3h/wHEJm+pe96ocWDNOZos+hD0bLLLEcJSxBjCicNlV3V3KXlnRKqDMx5I1JyGSKkZJVQ50b/KZwE= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR02MB300; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 3c67115d-12a5-40ec-1b1f-08d322742cb6 x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(601004)(2401047)(8121501046)(520078)(5005006)(3002001)(10201501046);SRVR:BY2PR02MB300;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR02MB300; x-forefront-prvs: 08286A0BE2 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(189002)(24454002)(199003)(101416001)(97736004)(81156007)(5004730100002)(106116001)(4326007)(86362001)(36756003)(105586002)(2906002)(5002640100001)(106356001)(66066001)(99286002)(586003)(50986999)(6116002)(11100500001)(2950100001)(1220700001)(122556002)(102836003)(3846002)(82746002)(92566002)(10400500002)(189998001)(33656002)(2900100001)(54356999)(83716003)(19580395003)(5001960100002)(1096002)(93886004)(77096005)(19580405001)(5008740100001)(40100003)(110136002)(76176999)(87936001)(104396002);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:BY2PR02MB300;H:BY2PR02MB298.namprd02.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;SPF:None;PTR:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1;LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: zend.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: zend.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 21 Jan 2016 15:04:34.8085 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 32210298-c08b-4829-8097-6b12c025a892 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR02MB300 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) On 21 =E1=E9=F0=E5=D7 2016, at 7:36, Sascha Schumann wrote: . >> We have clear rules which disallow revival of RFCs which failed a vote f= or a >> duration of six months, unless they're very substantially modified, so r= evival >> isn't always allowed in open source. >=20 > I think Derick is abusing the RFC process here clearly. The necessary act= ion > should be clear based on that. Sascha, While personally I think it should not be allowed and be subject to the sam= e rules as rejected RFCs - the Voting process we have doesn't deal with rev= ival of RFCs that were withdrawn by their author. So I don't think Derick = is abusing the process in that regard. The problem is that conceptually the RFC process isn't designed to handle i= ssues like this. Abuse may be an overkill to describe it - but it's clearl= y something that should not be done. Zeev=