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To: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Re-proposed] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: kevin@gohearsay.com (Kevin Smith)

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> On Jan 20, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
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> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016, Pavel Kou=C5=99il wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Derick Rethans =
<derick@derickrethans.nl> wrote:
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>>> I've decided to re-propose the CoC RFC. There are many reasons for =
it,
>>> but there are a few points I want to make.
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>> if you still insists on some CoC, maybe you could at least look into=20=

>> something else than the "Contributor Covenant"?
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>> For example, http://code-of-merit.org/ seems much more reasonable in=20=

>> "getting the things done" than the Covenant.
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> Sure - I would very much appreciate a list of things to look at. Would=20=

> you have time to suggest a list with C of C's? It is unlikely that one=20=

> will cover it all anyway. Something that (stolen the idea from =
twitter)=20
> has a good list of *positive* core values is also in my opinion=20
> important to have.
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> cheers,
> Derick

Hi Derick,

I noticed you were contacted by Randi Lee Harper =
[https://archive.is/b8RDW], the ironically abusive founder of the Online =
Abuse Prevention Initiative =
[https://archive.is/eqco9][http://archive.is/A1Azz] known for attacking =
and attempting to eject from projects/employment people she associates =
with groups she doesn=E2=80=99t approve of [http://archive.is/1A8SQ], =
wherein she suggested that you ignore the Code of Merit that Pavel =
recommended for consideration because she associates the author of said =
code with a group that=E2=80=94though entirely unrelated to his Open =
Source contributions=E2=80=94she finds undesirable and then proceeded to =
make general derogatory comments about him [again, =
https://archive.is/b8RDW].

(My deepest apologies for such a tremendous run-on sentence.)

I certainly hope this isn=E2=80=99t indicative of the spirit of this =
proposal. This exchange really seems to suggest the goal of these codes =
in general, and now possibly this one in particular, is what so many of =
us have feared: to exclude people with wrong ideas and associations, as =
defined by the in-group.


Kevin Smith
Hearsay Interactive <http://gohearsay.com/>=

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