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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:36:54 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines -- "let's
 proceed to ideas"
From: bishop@php.net (Bishop Bettini)

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On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com> wrote:

> On 1/14/16, 7:47 AM, "stig.bakken@gmail.com on behalf of Stig Bakken" <
> stig.bakken@gmail.com on behalf of stig@stigbakken.com> wrote:
>
> >I agree whole-heartedly with Zeev here!
> >
> >Anyone who has a clue about organizational psychology will tell you to
> >focus on what you want more of, not on what you want to eliminate.  Heck=
,
> >anyone who is a parent today should understand this intuitively.
> >
> >The main focus of a CoC should be positive, describing or even giving
> >examples of respectful behavior, that way people are guided towards
> >"wanted" behavior, instead of having to figure it out by process of
> >elimination from a list of what NOT to do.  Granted, there is such a thi=
ng
> >as common sense, but it's not always that common, so providing positive
> >guidance is effective.
> >
> >Several people have suggested splitting the RFC into two: one for the Co=
C
> >itself (which should be easier to rally around), and another for how
> >to deal with problems.  I think this is a very rational approach, it
> allows
> >us to learn from experience with the CoC as formulated before setting up
> >any kind of tribunal or banning system which could backfire badly in
> >various ways.
> >
>
> I agree with Stig and it mirrors what=E2=80=99s happening in psychology -=
 less
> carrot and stick and more focused on positive reinforcement and
> expectations.
> I also question whether the RFC process is supposed to even address such
> issues.
> The RFC process exists to vote on product related issues (features, EOL,
> BC breakage, =E2=80=A6). It feels weird to me to use it for such an initi=
ative.
>
> But going with Stig=E2=80=99s suggestion, I think it=E2=80=99d be nice to=
 work on a
> consensus-based (not RFC-based) guideline of the kind of positive behavio=
rs
> we expect from people on internals@.
>

Yes, let's first answer the question "What positive environment do we want
to have?"

Here's an excerpt from *Elephpant Etiquette*, an alternative take on a
"code of conduct":

*As a contributor, you also represent PHP and are responsible for...*

   -
*Your words: *
      - *Be understanding*
      - *Be polite*
      - *Be concise*
      - *Speak honestly with constructive language*
      - *Discuss the position, not the person*
   -
*Your behavior: *
      - *Actively listen to those who are speaking*
      - *Affirm what you hear*
      - *Remain calm (strive for equanimity)*
      - *Keep your voice down (NO CAPS)*
      - *Stay out of other's personal space*
      - *Heed the advice of community moderators*

Full text.
<http://cerebriform.blogspot.com/2016/01/proposed-elephant-etiquette.html>

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