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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:14:26 +0100
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To: Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: stig.bakken@gmail.com (Stig Bakken)

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Hi Anthony,

Have you looked at the IETF's approach to the same issue?

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-crocker-diversity-conduct-06

- Stig

On Jan 10, 2016 04:48, "Anthony Ferrara" <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> > I was not hesitant (or, let's maybe call it "intentionally
> procrastinating") to post on this topic because I felt unsafe on this list
> or in the general realm of the PHP community; I simply was in no mood to
> deal with a mob of self-proclaimed-or-not "Social Justice Warriors" and
> their digital pitchforks on twitter or elsewhere - and they're already
> trying: https://twitter.com/drupliconissad/status/685489458934841344
>
> Please, let's stop this rhetoric and propaganda. All of you.
>
> Since day one supporters of a CoC have been attacked. We've been
> called "SJW", "Fascists", "Feminists", and a whole more, and a whole
> lot worse. Have you looked at Reddit? Have you looked at Twitter?
> Hell, David just called us a "mob of self-proclaimed-or-not Social
> Justice Warriors." Outsiders have joined that rally against "SJW" and
> "Fascism" (and that's me being nice as to what they are saying).
>
> Aside from Phil Sturgeon (who used unacceptably harsh language), the
> people who support this have been exceedingly reasonable. We've been
> trying to discuss logic. We've been trying to keep a level head and
> talk compromise. We've been trying to come to a middle ground solution
> that works for everyone. I've personally spent a lot of time talking
> to people 1:1 constructively to try to figure out what the right
> approach. We're reaching out to other projects to try to find a common
> baseline. Not to pass something, but to pass the right thing. I've
> said that in basically every reply to the entire discussion in every
> thread I've been a part of.
>
> Yet time and time again, we're attacked and accused. A perfect example
> here is the obviously troll account cited here that looks like it has
> a feminist agenda, and then call out for digital pitchforks.
>
> This has got to stop. Please, be professionals. This thread is
> currently 207 messages long. Out of that 207, the vast majority *FROM
> EITHER SIDE* is either rhetoric, hyperbole or pure argument.
>
> On a thread discussing a **DRAFT** proposal.
>
> Please stop with the bullshit arguments about "power takeovers" or
> "political crap" or "pitchforks" or the passive-aggressive comments.
> Please stop with all of the distraction.
>
> If you have something constructive to contribute that will help reach
> a meaningful compromise, then by all means, let's discuss it. But
> please keep the tone civil, and the attacks out of it.
>
> But foremost, let's act like professionals.
>
> Anthony
>
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