Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90661 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 54350 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2016 14:47:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jan 2016 14:47:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=francois@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=francois@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 212.27.42.2 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: francois@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.27.42.2 smtp2-g21.free.fr Received: from [212.27.42.2] ([212.27.42.2:21858] helo=smtp2-g21.free.fr) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F1/02-39304-A9609965 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:47:55 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.240.16.115]) (Authenticated sender: flaupretre@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF4864B00B3; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:46:27 +0100 (CET) References: <8B865D2A-6762-430D-9EA1-9B693DE8E8C3@zort.net> <56948002.1080802@gmail.com> <56958530.2090903@gmail.com> <5696A315.9020509@thefsb.org> <5696A98B.3060907@garfieldtech.com> <5698FE79.7000300@php.net> Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" To: Internals Message-ID: <56990692.1020705@php.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:47:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5698FE79.7000300@php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160115-1, 15/01/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines -- "let's proceed to ideas" From: francois@php.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Fran=c3=a7ois_Laupretre?=) Hi, As we are talking about newcomers and the way we should encourage them, may I suggest you all to read Dustin's 'friend class' RFC (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/friend-classes). That's his first RFC and he got only one (negative) reply. Whether you like it or not, his work deserves being read and commented, just as anybody else's. Today, after one week, almost nobody bothered reading his RFC, just because his name is not well-known. Typically, the next step will be his RFC being massively rejected when he opens the vote. I'll say this again and again : that's not the way it is supposed to be and this is very discouraging for newcomers. Regards François