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Subject: Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines -- "let's proceed to
 ideas"
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> Right now I can call out your last paragraph. But before I do, remember
> John's point about perception versus reality. I go further. With respect
> to what goes down on a list-serv, there is only perception and nothing
> else matters. The following characterizations may seem wrong to you but if

I don't think it's right. This is basically claiming the right to deny
reality. Of course, each person has the right to be delusional, but if
we each operate on basis of our own delusions without basis in reality,
I don't see how collaboration would be possible.

> wrong. But unless you did, "and still have no answer" is an accusation of
> me and/or John of being delinquent in answering it.

No, it's not. It is trying to get us from venting bad feeling to looking
for solution - in which I failed miserably, evidently. You can build a
narrative of being offended and attacked out of anything, if you are
determined to do so. This, however, is an unproductive and
nonconstructive behavior, which will never find any solutions and
improve anything.

I however would submit it presents an excellent example of the danger of
enforcing such vague and subtle things as "perception" and "atmosphere".
One can blow literally *anything* out of proportion and present it as an
attack and an insult, even if nothing like that was ever meant.

> However, I am not sure this was your purpose. 1. thru 6. also suggest your

My purpose was to start constructive process of producing ideas and
finding solutions, if there was a will to cooperate on that. So far my
impression is there's none. OK then, moving on to code fixes.

-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com