Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90631 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84034 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2016 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Jan 2016 21:37:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.50 mail-pa0-f50.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.50] ([209.85.220.50:36546] helo=mail-pa0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 27/98-34116-2B3C6965 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:37:54 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id yy13so271980841pab.3 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YrxSviTVRGLlsO++8S0kAE6cNsQpwySBqb8JoYiTu4Q=; b=K2mNCTENWGA1trHiHnrV4HVIWGKZOEgrPNE6sAWe7Ozo8pAiN8yqUZ/sdCyaPaHQkT SSQ6KCLbETWpQ0A9qFpXX4zQJ31Eaw5BYxHH5xJITOW/7yry/AvrV/81KyWvmovyJEPX niw5DuREs3ylIET9LJ/8qIggJKAw8Y7JWWJM52BSxwlqVavGneAJtRajagJ2kVVkia+d e+EXU3Y2nMD31Ytb1ZQYTKR9ekQFBWbpmfQgQfCI1GbGTvSyMgJlYU9BmmG/ILM5YGvT KIBWCDLD+Spm84LVu3XYLirKhhiDFSpa59ZmOrzCePgVVRj9tta4uuQ/mKUOVkBzW4EP UuSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YrxSviTVRGLlsO++8S0kAE6cNsQpwySBqb8JoYiTu4Q=; b=SP38ItmIlGcYG3QThIOT+Vy0m6PpVJ0ca2BUe31pQla/A1aDkLoMrdxXTCbjbyqhfY lfHalXSbK0yHOjjhzQPvjt5QjKCbhEqXb+awTIvQkraNoU8K/XqLOnBiASvCMgBtDOt7 942lLqaYRv0gZM68S587B6ZoZTkZNjtW7IudLyOFeZlJFXr3TZwGZkkE2b/mxg4GXQME we5Ms5slUPrpXBxUBuJX7E6ARQLSgpjlGcdL9BXRmWjOTw3ORaBkk+PaQSD6SFAb0s1b F8wLxYpQA2yZkMja3ZTeZj5RHDX9euxDjH81P/aIu43tGVvyO0mX8/h5yMTPLZQ9AGNu f4hw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQka3F2O8z4LRHpKZvCEedtZD0ckfAEu04z5z4AwV+8vhYtd9I72HC24xEeaqljPoGOd9NlSccRw0O75YggWk+0ArPNsdg== X-Received: by 10.66.149.7 with SMTP id tw7mr671177pab.72.1452721070794; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.67] (76-220-46-95.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [76.220.46.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h10sm4757310pat.7.2016.01.13.13.37.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:37:49 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Worster , John Bafford References: <8B865D2A-6762-430D-9EA1-9B693DE8E8C3@zort.net> <56948002.1080802@gmail.com> <56958530.2090903@gmail.com> <5696A315.9020509@thefsb.org> Cc: PHP internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5696C3AC.7030809@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:37:48 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5696A315.9020509@thefsb.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines -- "let's proceed to ideas" From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > Yes we can! > > Let's say *we* would improve our conduct. I mean *we* as literally you > and me: two individuals. As a result the conduct of "whole of internals > as a group" would improve a bit. If improving our own individual conduct Not by definition given by John - he said that "behavior of the group" is not behavior of any individual, but something different (still have no idea what exactly). But fine, I'll buy it anyway. Let's improve our conduct, you and me. How? What you want to happen, can you describe specific action that has to be taken and specific result you expect to come from that action? I mean, I read your email, I read several John's emails, and still I have no answer on that simple question. Not "let's do lots of things so that everything would be awesome", but some specific things. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com