Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90630 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74877 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2016 20:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Jan 2016 20:12:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pmjones88@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pmjones88@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pmjones88@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.176 mail-yk0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.176] ([209.85.160.176:34423] helo=mail-yk0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 84/37-34116-FBFA6965 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:12:47 -0500 Received: by mail-yk0-f176.google.com with SMTP id a85so424055135ykb.1 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Y+OW3TUYm50b2dcOnajCuT5ZKWznO7iLIY4yg1hyWzE=; b=BGWQ5+gzhYZbgsU7IUk5kzLXBc58RaFklEg9QpGL+tj8wQo+weBPaMwYteQCjTcJD3 MR/TPFpzgaea9T5gCLj8qm6Lpr+wAKUTUkCKAKsbMjoqaqBuWZXc0+/dYwBznlrI7oIh InVlK2BJuOs+GWLYeluZdAvG8ixQFFqBb0QivSx1zBc90/CI3Pu90rafICQo+jFwxldL UMq1yGEwP/fFu6wc8b0lhB8eLR1lYRSL01kOvn7MRebFXLTZ4NmC6QdGUwgwm8+zv8Y9 BW4rI7OPDAzBwGp2XJP1rhWe0UHttMElSCdJmgsDreqytsjxspspQm5BRaE+pSPPXyHN m/mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=Y+OW3TUYm50b2dcOnajCuT5ZKWznO7iLIY4yg1hyWzE=; b=B8GOl/0PsAkCeULKmI9ORVsTiZYkR+i1FUW07JHOeF8RUZmi0iOx/6s2P6ce6/d42n GQw01ycq+jTb6cl/iRj8Lw2Skji9Nktzz6PAGqmBn/FWvwt0vjbnKTLBIBwnIdxgjnax 6+RDm67ynhxnGobF9KRtlF7u2yh6qGJ7VRo6yLV+zTpj9NwEOfNgsiZ0czMm3Tztqmbc 4yT8KlpD9nTpNxwlFRFg24uioS7pjiV7RX7blXjMd7AyFCs9N2zIRIwyl9ecrTLdeMUK lfjxNK3Q/x93RoJVwI1aMc339BOijstojSv0FqhbmyD2J1jR7Do4BPZSk9po4tt5rqpD 6WKg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkl349Ymc3ZoQJIZo0vP2SJIbBFgV2hySbLiZWqALEihyJlLp8zF4QmVf9GFKI6tmz+qa4pcgjU4jiYhu4MZ7zbnsnXaA== X-Received: by 10.13.192.130 with SMTP id b124mr122635ywd.218.1452715964474; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:cecb:ae30:e198:66e6:2c3b:7a7e? ([2602:306:cecb:ae30:e198:66e6:2c3b:7a7e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m188sm1885650ywe.46.2016.01.13.12.12.43 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:12:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:12:42 -0600 Cc: Larry Garfield , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <6AF0B4DB-DC39-428D-82C6-2F92A5F679AF@gmail.com> References: <8B865D2A-6762-430D-9EA1-9B693DE8E8C3@zort.net> <56948002.1080802@gmail.com> <56958530.2090903@gmail.com> <5696A315.9020509@thefsb.org> <5696A98B.3060907@garfieldtech.com> To: Chase Peeler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines -- "let's proceed to ideas" From: pmjones88@gmail.com ("Paul M. Jones") > On Jan 13, 2016, at 13:58, Chase Peeler wrote: > > I think you're actually missing the point as to why most of the people > were against a CoC (or at least the proposed CoC). It wasn't a matter of > what the status quo was, but that the CoC, at best, wouldn't solve the > issues it was meant to solve (whether such issues existed is irrelevant) > and, at worst, would lead a more negative atmosphere rife with unintended > consequences. Yes, there were a few people asking "do we even need this," > but in terms of those against the proposal, they were the minority from > what I could tell. > > tl;dr; - Even if you could never find a more wretched hive of scum and > villainy than PHP internals, I (and my others) would still not support the > proposed CoC. To quote Larry, "^^ This." -- Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php