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To: John Bafford <jbafford@zort.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines (WAS: Adopt
 Code of Conduct)
From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

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On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 22:46 -0500, John Bafford wrote:
> So let's say, hypothetically, internals actually, seriously, wants
> newcomers.

  Back in the days when I was more active when teaching newcomers
internals in articles and conferences I typically pointed them to
pecl-dev for the first discussions and contributions. There one can work
on extensions in a more relaxed environment on less controversial topics
and newcomers get to know some others and some technical constraints.

  Mind that discussions on internals have a huge impact - changes to the
language lead to a long tail over other changes, practices change, tools
have to change, code might break. Also people have different emotional
attachment to the language and the way it works. A change might be a
break on what sees as the foundation (most notably to see in the type
hints discussions) And then there is the case that there are topics
which come up again and again ...

  And then I think most of the topics are on a technical and productive
level. Attention however goes to the heated debates on "hot" topics. If
an external observer sees only those the view certainly is different
than when reading each topic.

johannes


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