Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90573 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28303 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2016 19:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jan 2016 19:16:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyra3l@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyra3l@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.41 mail-wm0-f41.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.41] ([74.125.82.41:37490] helo=mail-wm0-f41.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F5/56-27877-FE055965 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:15:59 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f206so336752331wmf.0 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:15:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sbFkXuG/EnwVNdZA2jim/kAmOL4A6KD9+ot3vHEeIAY=; b=GwHB4mbMRoxfDGs0VEAU9s9uqlx4tNlHh8tIJ5N8GHsvteiRL3DcHQSAtFbkjyAB7/ oG1Rc+LYQ5e6pPQLRO1Vr36Y2q5qxAYk3O/lI/SqR/gfQHla+xv/Z2GI8d6OILCkBmj2 ygQxiXeyugZeauaeNqllne7VL77QtCimPf8DOOM4xkQ1f/4fQ8naEL8aXAsxDranT3om LrltHTqXhY0B75XNE6qHk9J5keCJjtzZAUn5hDF3bLEnS8AguL2hA4rEmi9xEhKWNXbV fT4UNOzubM4EoSZAFohC/Ktw7dbf29PfXvkXtFyxdMGkS8ayyObtLfmSYe9BxPl67P0J aZIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.104.136 with SMTP id ge8mr13400581wjb.135.1452626156472; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.86.202 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:15:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8B865D2A-6762-430D-9EA1-9B693DE8E8C3@zort.net> <56948002.1080802@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:15:56 +0100 Message-ID: To: John Bafford Cc: Stanislav Malyshev , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfe9a7a0c58a1052927e292 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines (WAS: Adopt Code of Conduct) From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs) --047d7bfe9a7a0c58a1052927e292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > We=E2=80=99ve got a giant steaming pile of crap here. As awesome as U+1F4= A9 is, > the fix is to stop trying to polish the turd and actually clean up our ac= t. > You want php-internals to lose its toxic reputation? Here=E2=80=99s how: = *STOP > BEING TOXIC*. How? I dunno. I=E2=80=99m open to ideas. I=E2=80=99m happy = to help. Want to, > even. But this shitpile needs to be fixed. Internals needs to *accept* > there=E2=80=99s a problem, and *actually do* something about it. > > Once internals *actively puts forth effort* to counter its toxic > reputation, by *being less toxic*, it will be much easier to attract new > talent. Do that first. The rest will follow. > > -John > > Hi John, thanks for sharing your opinion in such a level headed and well articulated manner, I wish if this won't be lost amongst the hundreds of mails sent in the last couple of days on the list. --=20 Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --047d7bfe9a7a0c58a1052927e292--