Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90564 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4713 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2016 16:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jan 2016 16:00:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org from 195.191.240.18 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:33647] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7B/42-27877-63325965 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:00:55 -0500 Received: from heigl.gw.tgnet.de ([80.72.250.242]:50939 helo=wdv-hg-0C07-zX4090-HeiglAndreas.local) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aJ1NK-001jPk-P8; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:00:51 +0100 To: Sascha Schumann , Peter Petermann , internals@lists.php.net References: <5690BCE6.6010908@gmail.com> <569182FD.6070404@gmail.com> <56918458.1070101@gmail.com> <5691D2EA.1050808@gmail.com> <5692307D.5050900@lsces.co.uk> <56925977.1040801@dennis.birkholz.biz> <5693C027.4070804@eliw.com> <5694D270.3050109@dennis.birkholz.biz> <56950882.7020008@eliw.com> <56951798.4050000@heigl.org> <1382704214.3241.fd941ca0-f3d1-4b3c-8747-f8166ff46b39.open-xchange@ox.myrasec.de> Message-ID: <56952331.70604@heigl.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:00:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1382704214.3241.fd941ca0-f3d1-4b3c-8747-f8166ff46b39.open-xchange@ox.myrasec.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030100040409020107010109" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: hos109.unaxus.net: a.heigl@heigl.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --------------ms030100040409020107010109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 12.01.16 um 16:45 schrieb Sascha Schumann: >> During the CoC-Discussion the idea came up to vote certain CoC-issues >> (call them whatever you like) in a more secure way so that no one soul= d >> be able to bully someone into an - for him or her - inappropriate >> decission. One way to do so could be a somehow anonymised vote. >=20 > Is discussing things openly considered 'bullying'? It should not. But it seems that sometimes people have different understandings of what is appropriate. >=20 >> So I think we have to distinguish between technical votes on what way >> the language itself develops (which should always be open and as >> transparent as possible) and non-technical votes (which can be very >> personal and should therefore respect the privacy of the voter). >=20 > As this concerns the future of the community, the vote should definitel= y be > public, and not secret.=20 Definitely!!! And that requires an RFC that - at least in my eyes - needs a 2/3rd(+1) majority to be accepted *because* it concerns the future of the community! 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