Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90556 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 91811 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2016 15:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jan 2016 15:11:58 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org from 195.191.240.18 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:59709] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F2/7A-32047-CB715965 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:11:57 -0500 Received: from tmo-101-64.customers.d1-online.com ([80.187.101.64]:1250 helo=wdv-hg-0C07-zX4090-HeiglAndreas.local) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aJ0bw-001a3t-C2; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:11:54 +0100 To: Peter Petermann , internals@lists.php.net References: <5690BCE6.6010908@gmail.com> <569182FD.6070404@gmail.com> <56918458.1070101@gmail.com> <5691D2EA.1050808@gmail.com> <5692307D.5050900@lsces.co.uk> <56925977.1040801@dennis.birkholz.biz> <5693C027.4070804@eliw.com> <5694D270.3050109@dennis.birkholz.biz> <56950882.7020008@eliw.com> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56951798.4050000@heigl.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:11:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms040008080908080304010100" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: hos109.unaxus.net: a.heigl@heigl.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --------------ms040008080908080304010100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 12.01.16 um 15:56 schrieb Peter Petermann: >> >> Discussions happen. Then a vote is called, everyone votes instantly.= >> Yes, the votes do become public afterwards. However there is not the >> '2-3 week period' of voting that happens on a PHP RFC, wherein you vot= e, >> and then while the vote is still up, and while you are allowed to chan= ge >> your vote, everyone knows how you voted. >> >> Which then leads into the flurry of badgering for people to change the= ir >> votes, beleaguering comments designed to help people change their vote= , >> and so on. >> >> it leads into people participating, and actively engaging in discussio= n > making concious decisions, rather than blindly giving a vote and ignori= ng > the rest of the world. >=20 > Its a positive thing if people discuss (and are able to change) during = the > voting period, I don't see why we would want to get rid of this. I (and many others as far as I know) don't think we should get rid of that possibility. But as far as I understood it it's all about *being able to hide votes*, not defaulting to anonymising votes. During the CoC-Discussion the idea came up to vote certain CoC-issues (call them whatever you like) in a more secure way so that no one sould be able to bully someone into an - for him or her - inappropriate decission. One way to do so could be a somehow anonymised vote. So I think we have to distinguish between technical votes on what way the language itself develops (which should always be open and as transparent as possible) and non-technical votes (which can be very personal and should therefore respect the privacy of the voter). 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