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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:20:36 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki
From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl)

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Am 12.01.16 um 15:06 schrieb Eli:
> On 1/12/16 5:16 AM, Dennis Birkholz wrote:
>> I don't think voting on an RFC is like electing your government. I
>> would compare it to how a House of Representatives works. And at least=

>> here in Germany, they vote publicly except when electing people (e.g.
>> the Chancellor).
>=20
> That's a fine comparison.  But there is a big difference in how a House=

> vote is run, and a PHP RFC vote.  And that's one of time.
>=20
> A vote in the House (at least in the US, and I assume it's similar in
> Germany).  Happens at a moment.
>=20
> Discussions happen.   Then a vote is called, everyone votes instantly. =

> Yes, the votes do become public afterwards.  However there is not the
> '2-3 week period' of voting that happens on a PHP RFC, wherein you vote=
,
> and then while the vote is still up, and while you are allowed to chang=
e
> your vote, everyone knows how you voted.
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> Which then leads into the flurry of badgering for people to change thei=
r
> votes, beleaguering comments designed to help people change their vote,=

> and so on.
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> Moving to at the very least a 'anonymous votes, and anonymous results,
> until after the vote is finished'.  Would make it much more like a
> 'House' vote.
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> #2cents
> Eli
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Can we please get clear on terms:

1. "Anonymous vote" in my eyes is a vote where no one is and will be
able to get information on who voted what. Never! Ever! The vote is and
will remain anonymous.

2. "Public vote" on the opposite is where everyone knows even during the
voting period who voted how. In Germany there's the so called
"Hammelsprung" where the members of the house vote by passing through
certain doors. One could influence them while queuing up for the door ;)

3. An "Anonymous vote during voting period" vote that is anonymous
during the voting period (so no one can be actively influenced to
changing their vote) but after the voting period is over the vote is
publicly available. So everyone knows who voted what.

Personally I'd opt for version 3 where the vote is *anonymous during the
voting period only*. That way no one can be actively influenced on their
vote. In my eyes that would mean that there is not even available *who*
voted on the RFC to keep even that anonymous whether someone voted or not=
=2E

Or did I miss something?

Cheers

Andreas



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