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Subject: Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines (WAS: Adopt Code of
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From: fsb@thefsb.org (Tom Worster)

On 1/11/16 10:46 PM, John Bafford wrote:
> Stop the nonsense. Get better, grow up, treat each other with respect, and act like the adults you are. I'd like to work with you all, but you make it dammned hard to want to.

Hi John,

Good for you for writing and sending your email! Really.

The nature of the discourse on Internals serves a political purpose that 
your opening quote hints at. In the most general terms, it serves to 
protect the status quo. Specifically it functions to protect the de 
facto leadership of the PHP project.

So while I support the general thrust of your email, I don't think much 
will come from asking folk to tone it down. Framing this as marketing of 
PHP and Internals to the wider world, while valid, allows us to dance 
around the core problem.

Tom