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Subject: Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines (WAS: Adopt Code of
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From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> This is yet another example of the toxic internals problem.
> Regardless of one's views on the CoC proposal, the conduct of
> php-internals as a whole has been reprehensible.

What in your opinion was reprehensive, could you explain?

> And *every* time I start to think, "ok, I'm finally going to dust off
> those old patches and write some RFCs" this shit happens, and I
> reconsider and go back to lurk mode because I have no interest in
> participating in conversations about facists, whether real or
> imagined.

Precisely one person mentioned anything about "fascists", and pretty
much everybody agreed that was over the top and we should not use such
words. Was that reprehensible? OK, what would you do instead?

> emails for a few weeks and was just about to start work on (what I
> had hoped would be an ongoing series of) a weekly summary of
> internals (similar to what Pascal Martin had been doing in 2014) as

That would be awesome. But this is very hard work - which is why nobody
is doing it for long.

> This is getting a bit ranty. But internals deserves it. You all may
> be great programmers, but in terms of making people *want* to work on
> php-src, you're shitty salespeople.

Maybe. For myself, I'm pretty much surely a shitty salesperson. How
would you sell it instead?

-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com